What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Danlav05]

SNW is good but for me Wesley and Peck (although granted he has that deep voice) don’t hold a candle to Shatner and Nimoy or even Pine and Quinto

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

How shocking that a list based on compiling all time views based on data ranging from 2019-2025 should favor a popular show which launched in 2019 and already released it's third season in 2023 over a popular show that didn't exist at all until 2022 and only recently got a second season.

Also gotta love the irony of trying to prove Andor is unpopular by linking to an article that literally says Andor is the second most popular thing on their list.

I never said it was "unpopular", just not as popular as it should be.

So you're blaming them for why the numbers aren't as good as it should be?

There's a world of difference between those two statements.

Given the amount of $$$ Disney spent, the talent they hired, it should've done better than what it got so far, in the amount of time it's been out.

Remember, Ahsoka just finished 1 Season, and it's that popular.

Andor just finished 2 Seasons & completed it's story, and it's barely catching up to Ahsoka who has only finished 1 season and still has S2 in the works.

If Andor was as popular as it should be, it would've been leagues ahead of Ahsoka by now and starting to be part way to catching up to Mando.

But it isn't, so what gives?

Remember, Andor cost Disney $645 Million across 24 eps.

Ahsoka S1 is only estimated to cost $100 Million across 8 eps for S1.

Yet Andor S1+2 is only beating Ahsoka S1 by 0.13% points so far.
A show that costs a estimated 6.45x more, yet is only barely beating out Ahsoka is a bad investment by Disney in their eyes.

Anybody who reads the basic finances is going to agree that Andor is under-performing for the amount of investment that went into it.

Ambitious projects like Andor isn't delivering on what it should've delivered, MUCH higher performance given the Financial Investment.

BTW, Mando, all 3 seasons cost them $360 Million, and it's the top watched show.

So you understand why Disney is making a "Mando Movie" now.

 

[Daedalus]

SNW is good but for me Wesley and Peck (although granted he has that deep voice) don’t hold a candle to Shatner and Nimoy or even Pine and Quinto

Big shoes to fill.

 

[CoveTom]

I never said it was "unpopular", just not as popular as it should be.



There's a world of difference between those two statements.

Given the amount of $$$ Disney spent, the talent they hired, it should've done better than what it got so far, in the amount of time it's been out.

Remember, Ahsoka just finished 1 Season, and it's that popular.

Andor just finished 2 Seasons & completed it's story, and it's barely catching up to Ahsoka who has only finished 1 season and still has S2 in the works.

If Andor was as popular as it should be, it would've been leagues ahead of Ahsoka by now and starting to be part way to catching up to Mando.

But it isn't, so what gives?

Remember, Andor cost Disney $645 Million across 24 eps.

Ahsoka S1 is only estimated to cost $100 Million across 8 eps for S1.

Yet Andor S1+2 is only beating Ahsoka S1 by 0.13% points so far.
A show that costs a estimated 6.45x more, yet is only barely beating out Ahsoka is a bad investment by Disney in their eyes.

Anybody who reads the basic finances is going to agree that Andor is under-performing for the amount of investment that went into it.

Ambitious projects like Andor isn't delivering on what it should've delivered, MUCH higher performance given the Financial Investment.

BTW, Mando, all 3 seasons cost them $360 Million, and it's the top watched show.

So you understand why Disney is making a "Mando Movie" now.

Is there some reason why every one of your posts comes across as though you're trying to explain something to a third grader?

I am not trying to be mean. I'm really not. But people have tried repeatedly to explain that the "tone" of your posts is coming across badly, but you apparently either don't see it or don't care.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Is there some reason why every one of your posts comes across as though you're trying to explain something to a third grader?

Not everybody follows Star Wars performance in the Streaming Wars.
That's a niche subject that requires a bit more explanation since most people don't care about how it performs and why it affects Star Wars in the future.
Most people only read the big head-lines and calls it a day.
They enjoy the shows and just move on with their life.
But there is a lot of nuance to the topic and it deeply affects how future shows will be funded along with what subject matter.

Regardless of how you may feel about said Star Wars Show and how it rates as a individual show to your own taste.
How it performs, relative to how much they dump into it does matter, and most fans either don't care, don't understand, or just take headlines as plain fact.
When it's never that simple.
That's why I try to explain my position, because it's important to understand why I say what I said.

I am not trying to be mean. I'm really not. But people have tried repeatedly to explain that the "tone" of your posts is coming across badly, but you apparently either don't see it or don't care.

Maybe I'm just easily misunderstood.

I'm not trying to cop a "tone", I'm trying to state the facts as is.

 

[knightgrace]

Count me as one.

Does this mean that a great many of us aren't really cool guys and gals?

 

[Maurice]

They didn't tune-out because it was 'boring'.

I tuned out precisely because it was boring. I don't mind a slow burn but Andor just dragged.

 

[Jayson1]

I really liked Andor but all SW can't always be like Andor. It more or less needs to mostly be like The Mandalorian most of the time. That is the good first two seasons of course though frankly I rewatched season 3 awhile back and it wasn't so bad as I remembered it.

 

[Toril Toran]

I just had an unusual thought:

Star Trek: The Wrath of Karen

Just a Karen in general. Someone who feigns outrage about something they know nothing about. A busy-body. A trouble maker in general.

By the way, Discovery SUCKS!!!
Strange New Worlds is far better.
Except the singing episode. It was well done, but with the exception of Uhura no one in star fleet sings.

 

[CoveTom]

Not everybody follows Star Wars performance in the Streaming Wars.
That's a niche subject that requires a bit more explanation since most people don't care about how it performs and why it affects Star Wars in the future.
Most people only read the big head-lines and calls it a day.
They enjoy the shows and just move on with their life.
But there is a lot of nuance to the topic and it deeply affects how future shows will be funded along with what subject matter.

I understand what you are saying, but keep in mind you are not on Facebook or X here. You are on a board specifically dedicated to Star Trek in particular and sci-fi more broadly. The folks actively posting here tend to be uber-fans and very well versed in these things. As a community, Trekkies take pride in knowing all the minutia.

I guess what it comes down to is this: you seem to think that simple opinion and taste doesn't factor into things. You act like your viewpoint is always a factually correct one and that if someone disagrees with you, it must be because they just don't understand all the facts.

But the fact is, many of us just like different things than you do. For me, for example, your stated preferences regarding space battles sound awful to me. That's not because I don't understand what you want to see or why. It's because I just don't like it. I'm just as much a fan and consumer of Star Trek as you, and I'm just as entitled to my opinion and my tastes.

You're under no obligation to listen to me, but if I had one suggestion it would be to just accept that not everyone agrees with what you want to see, even when they have all of the facts. Start treating these discussions as differences of opinion rather than people in need of education and I think you'll get better responses.

Just my opinion.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I understand what you are saying, but keep in mind you are not on Facebook or X here. You are on a board specifically dedicated to Star Trek in particular and sci-fi more broadly. The folks actively posting here tend to be uber-fans and very well versed in these things. As a community, Trekkies take pride in knowing all the minutia.

I would assume they take pride in Star Trek minutia, Star Wars is hit & miss depending on the user.

I guess what it comes down to is this: you seem to think that simple opinion and taste doesn't factor into things. You act like your viewpoint is always a factually correct one and that if someone disagrees with you, it must be because they just don't understand all the facts.

I'm just trying to convey a view point and debate it, but apparently people don't like controversial topics & debate in this thread.
So I'm not going to waste their time from now on since they have no stomach for it.

But the fact is, many of us just like different things than you do.

I get that.

For me, for example, your stated preferences regarding space battles sound awful to me. That's not because I don't understand what you want to see or why. It's because I just don't like it. I'm just as much a fan and consumer of Star Trek as you, and I'm just as entitled to my opinion and my tastes.

Fair enough, but I have different tastes in regarding space battles, and I know many who are like minded like me as well.

You're under no obligation to listen to me, but if I had one suggestion it would be to just accept that not everyone agrees with what you want to see, even when they have all of the facts.

Fair enough.

Start treating these discussions as differences of opinion rather than people in need of education and I think you'll get better responses.

Just my opinion.

It seems nobody wants to discuss the difference of opinion, they rather have me shut up and go away.
They don't want my opinion, they don't want dicussion.

They say they want discussion on controversial subjects, they have no stomach to debate it or argue about it.
So why bother with people who don't mean what they say in a topic about Controversial opinions.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

It seems nobody wants to discuss the difference of opinion, they rather have me shut up and go away.
They don't want my opinion, they don't want dicussion.

They say they want discussion on controversial subjects, they have no stomach to debate it or argue about it.
So why bother with people who don't mean what they say in a topic about Controversial opinions.

No one is censoring you. They've discussed the issue and are ready to move on. Accusing people of wanting to cause political strife is uncalled for. People in this thread have answered your posts in detail.

And there is nothing controversial here. It's the amount of pew-pew in a fucking science fiction show. None of us, not you, not I, are saying anything that's going to change the world either for the better or worse.

 

[Blip]

I'm just trying to convey a view point and debate it, but apparently people don't like controversial topics & debate in this thread.

Allow me to lend a hatchet to your intellectual thicket:

The thread is for controversial opinions to be posted, for fun.

It is not your personal platform from which to pontificate ad nauseum and attempt to browbeat other users into submission if they don't react the way you expect. This is a thing which is not fun.

It seems nobody wants to discuss the difference of opinion, they rather have me shut up and go away.
They don't want my opinion, they don't want dicussion.

You don't discuss. You arrogantly assume your opinion is correct, and that if others don't agree then they simply must not understand, either because you think they're the wrong generation, or because they don't like anime, or because they're not "the right kind of fan" for your imaginary version of the franchise, or any number of other excuses you've come up with... And then when you get pushback, you accuse others of putting words into your mouth even though they've accurately described precisely what you said and the tone in which it was said (while you yourself have put words into others' mouths). These are things that yes, you have done, so stop playing the victim.

They say they want discussion on controversial subjects, they have no stomach to debate it or argue about it.
So why bother with people who don't mean what they say in a topic about Controversial opinions.

Again, this thread isn't your personal soapbox; nobody owes you the attention you apparently crave. The idea is to post a controversial opinion, eg "I hated Janeway's season 5 hairdo!!" and let others react.

Stop acting as if everyone else is in the wrong just because they're tired of accomodating your disrespect and lack of common decency, ffs.



My latest controversial opinion: The delta flyer's cockpit window was ugly as f***, and the Captain Proton controls simply looked silly. :P

 

[1001001]

Goddamnit...

Okay, first let's feel free to discuss Star Wars in the...wait for it...Star Wars Forum!



Second, there is absolutely nothing in Star Trek that's worth getting mad about.

They say they want discussion on controversial subjects, they have no stomach to debate it or argue about it. So why bother with people who don't mean what they say in a topic about Controversial opinions.

Third, @Kamen Rider Blade you are this close to a thread ban. Seriously, disengage and take a couple of days to rethink your approach. You are the problem here.

what armadillos have had children with humans? XD

Spoiler: It's Happened

 

[The Wormhole]

with the exception of Uhura no one in star fleet sings.

Sisko, Worf, the Doctor, or do you mean no one in 23rd century Starfleet sings besides Uhura? If so, Kevin Riley says hi. Stamets mentioned Culber sings, though we never heard him. Stamets and Tilly did sing one time. Saru also sang once.

 

[fireproof78]

SNW is good but for me Wesley and Peck (although granted he has that deep voice) don’t hold a candle to Shatner and Nimoy or even Pine and Quinto

Of course not.

I know it's difficult but I try really really hard not to compare. Quinto gets closer because he got to work with Nimoy.

But I try so hard to not to compare performance to performance.

 

[Blip]

Of course not.

I know it's difficult but I try really really hard not to compare. Quinto gets closer because he got to work with Nimoy.

But I try so hard to not to compare performance to performance.

For me it's the reverse tbh, at least insofar as Peck and Quinto are concerned. While the latter may have spent time with Nimoy, I found him jarringly nasal and too high pitched - and found very little similarity in their mannerisms (ironic, because back when he was in Heroes he seemed like the ideal candidate!)

 

[BK613]

Just a Karen in general. Someone who feigns outrage about something they know nothing about. A busy-body. A trouble maker in general.

I will always marvel at the hypocrisy of using a euphemism to express outrage at somebody's bad behavior while at the same time not realizing that using it is dissing all the amazing people who happen to have that same name.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

For me it's the reverse tbh, at least insofar as Peck and Quinto are concerned. While the latter may have spent time with Nimoy, I found him jarringly nasal and too high pitched - and found very little similarity in their mannerisms (ironic, because back when he was in Heroes he seemed like the ideal candidate!)

Neither picked up a decades long smoking habit to get that voice.

Nimoy, z"l.

 

[Jayson1]

I will always marvel at the hypocrisy of using a euphemism to express outrage at somebody's bad behavior while at the same time not realizing that using it is dissing all the amazing people who happen to have that same name.

What about all the poor innocent Dick's out their? I really feel bad for the lady out their named Karen Dick .