Through a flat screen TV… well, that’s what I heard.
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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Through a flat screen TV… well, that’s what I heard.
For all the faults that Discovery made, they did listen to the fans & course correct on various elements.
We also got SNW thanks to DISCO, so w/o DISCO stumbling, there would be no SNW.
Depends on the person and the audience base.
Some of the most succesful Sci-Fi series like Star Wars has massive battles portrayed on screen.
If that's the metric you want, then Star Wars did it as well and they're a larger franchise than Star Trek.
For all the "Kurtzman was fired rumors" that has spread over the internet.
He's still around.
Several flat screens.
Trying to replicate the famous Odysseus feat. Wishbone chronicled it well.
Well, they can't all be winners.
This would seem to be the crucial point.
The Battle of the Mutara Nebula in TWOK is basically just a WWII submarine cat-and-mouse set in space. It's hardly the most visually complex or dizzying space battle ever filmed but it works brilliantly because of the context of the conflict and the nature of the nebula.
anime having legendary sci-fi franchises and space operas doesn't make their conventions work within star trek's framework, or vice versa. although easter eggs turn up from time to time.
You’re missing the point. They made changes. Big changes. And they pissed off the fans. So much so they had to make the course corrections you speak of. I personally think season one of Discovery is fucking bold in how it tried to reinvent Star Trek. Key point: they tried to do something different. Didn’t work. Because fans got pissy. If they try to make changes to the formula, they will be incremental. Not sweeping. I don’t necessarily like anime but I’m not afraid of change. But other fans have proven they are. And making changes as big as you suggest? Would really piss them off.
Mutara Nebula is a fine battle. There were plenty of Naval battles that were just a few ships, like Hampton Roads. The last large naval battle was Leyte Gulf, 80 years ago. There is no need for everything to be hundreds of ships slugging it out. And Star Wars does a good enough job servicing the fans who want that kind of thing.
It was Gundam's literal first attempt at dealing with Aliens, so they were experimenting.
I loved it, but I can see how some people didn't like it or get it.
But we finally got to deal with real Alien "Aliens".
Not the Trek equivalent of guy with bumpy forehead prosthetics.
So that complicated things.
How does using something realistically mean "Dumbing it down"?
Where does one make the mental logical leap to something that it isn't.
Star Trek usually ends up in fights at times, so every now and then, it will happen.
Didn't you like DISCO?
It depends on what you're borrowing.
And even Star Wars doesn't do it to excess.
That's not the point. I like Discovery just fine, but it was not worth the angst in the fandom, in my opinion.
Angst in the fandom isn’t a bug. It’s a feature. I mean, do we need to discuss the whole “If the SNW Enterprise doesn’t look like the TOS Enterprise by the final episode, we riot!” crowd?
Then we learn not to make the mistakes that DISCO made.
And they made plenty that hasn't been repeated since.
Some of the other errors, DISCO never fixed that should be fixed.
Well, I'm on the other end of the spectrum, I like the SNW Enterprise more than the TOS Connie.
I'd like to see a version of DISCO S1 E1 that sticks to Fuller's original concepts, before he got let go, even just an animated storyboard version with temporary voice tracks.
I'll take that over what we've got going on in this thread.
It's the "Royal We".
The King is a DISCO fan,
What’s funny about this whole thing is that neither Star Trek nor anime is usually in any way realistic about space battles, and for the most part that doesn’t matter (for the same reason that in Shakespeare plays, the stage directions for fight scenes is usually “They fight. Khan falls.”). You’re not going to have mecha moving like that (or existing at all, probably), and you’re not going to have starships creeping around and firing from twenty paces (nor are nebulae thick fogs that block your vision and bump you when you cross into them). In both kinds of story, that’s not the point.
Ironically, the most realistic battles were probably in TOS (not the movies):
1. Shot of the Enterprise going one way.
2. Shot of the enemy going the other way.
3. SPOCK: “They are at however many thousand kilometers, and closing”
4. Shot of the enemy firing.
5. INT. Bridge: Boom! Everybody falls one way, except for that one person who falls the other way.
6. KIRK: “Fire!” (Sulu does.)
7. Shot of the enemy, with a FLASH over it.
8. CHEKOV: “Ve got him, Keptin!”
(Okay, lack of seatbelts isn’t realistic, but that’s drama again.)
Ironically, the most realistic battles were probably in TOS (not the movies):
1. Shot of the Enterprise going one way.
2. Shot of the enemy going the other way.
3. SPOCK: “They are at however many thousand kilometers, and closing”
4. Shot of the enemy firing.
5. INT. Bridge: Boom! Everybody falls one way, except for that one person who falls the other way.
6. KIRK: “Fire!” (Sulu does.)
7. Shot of the enemy, with a FLASH over it.
8. CHEKOV: “Ve got him, Keptin!”
(Okay, lack of seatbelts isn’t realistic, but that’s drama again.)
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