What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[BillJ]

I guess you're of a different generation.

I'm used to watching long battles via Anime.

That's a classic tradition where Anime battles can last a while and the battle gets dissected and analyzed with ebbs & flows, turns in fortunes within said battle.

But hey you don't watch that stuff, right?

So it might not be to your taste.

I think there tends to be some things being lost in translation. Star Trek is not anime, it has kinda become its own subgenre of science fiction. When companies are making Trek, they are tending to cast the widest net possible, to get as many viewers as possible. It was Roddenberry himself who said, "people don't care how Joe Friday's gun works".

I'm not a big fan of anime, but I am a big fan of Space Battleship Yamato. It is a piece of magnificent entertainment, but I don't want its way of doing things applied to Trek, just like I don't want the Trek way of doing things applied to it.

You should create your own universe with its own rules and way of doing things. Trek simply isn't what you want it to be, and no one is going to hire you to reinvent the wheel of a sixty-year-old IP. If they wanted someone to reinvent the Trek wheel, there are simply too many people out there with proven track records to make things work. Much like when DC hired James Gunn to revamp their multi-media universe.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Anime only shows one style of combat. Many battles, especially aerial, are hits and runs, or they take place in fits and starts. They are not necessarily hours of constant fire. The fact that the Enterprise and Reliant only get a few shots on each other could be just as realistic.

It depends on the enemy you are combatting, the situation, the field that you're fighting on.

There's no one definitive answer to how much constant fire you should be having.

But Enterprise vs Reliant was 1 vs 1 in a Sensor Inhibiting dense Nebula where both sides could be some-what injured.

That's a completely different situation from other battles.

I agree the distances are silly, ships are too close to one another, and there is no reason to believe the ships should be so clearly in view.

That much we agree upon.

Let's take Operation Return, where the Defiant and two Mirandas do a strafing run along a Jem Hadar ship. Those ships should be 10-50 times farther away, and the destruction of the Mirandas could have caused a cascade of explosions. On the other hand, the run through the Dominion fleet would still have been tight at realistic distances and the destruction of the Mirandas could still have led to more danger. Despite the unrealistic distances, the same danger was in place.

I concur, they don't even make good use of their phasers's maximum range of ~ 1 light-second ≈ 300,000 km

In TNG when they had the small fleet form a Sensor Net to catch the Cloaked Romulan Fleets supplying House Duras, everybody was reasonably far away.

 

[Firebird]

Or, padding for a short script...

Not everyone can do “Piller Filler,” sadly.

I guess you're of a different generation.

I'm used to watching long battles via Anime.

That's a classic tradition where Anime battles can last a while and the battle gets dissected and analyzed with ebbs & flows, turns in fortunes within said battle.

But hey you don't watch that stuff, right?

So it might not be to your taste.

Here’s the thing: we’re not talking about anime. We’re talking about a live action, sci-fi action-adventure TV show. Two entirely different formats and media. What works in one doesn’t work in the other.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I think there tends to be some things being lost in translation. Star Trek is not anime, it has kinda become its own subgenre of science fiction. When companies are making Trek, they are tending to cast the widest net possible, to get as many viewers as possible. It was Roddenberry himself who said, "people don't care how Joe Friday's gun works".

I'm not a big fan of anime, but I am a big fan of Space Battleship Yamato. It is a piece of magnificent entertainment, but I don't want its way of doing things applied to Trek, just like I don't want the Trek way of doing things applied to it.

You should create your own universe with its own rules and way of doing things.

That is the ABSOLUTE LAST THING I want to do.
I have no intention of ever doing that.
Like I've stated before, I just want to participate in Star Trek, like many Trekkies before me.

Trek simply isn't what you want it to be, and no one is going to hire you to reinvent the wheel of a sixty-year-old IP.

It's literally a few spit shines and tweaks here and there to be what I want it to be.

If they wanted someone to reinvent the Trek wheel, there are simply too many people out there with proven track records to make things work. Much like when DC hired James Gunn to revamp their multi-media universe.

How's that working out for them?
Are they catching up to the MCU?

 

[BillJ]

How's that working out for them?
Are they catching up to the MCU?

They don't need to catch the MCU. They need to make money on the movies that they put out there, worrying about what a competitor does instead of what you can accomplish, leads to many bad products.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Here’s the thing: we’re not talking about anime. We’re talking about a live action, sci-fi action-adventure TV show. Two entirely different formats and media. What works in one doesn’t work in the other.

Not necessarilly, they've been trying to make Live-Action Anime/Manga for a long time.

Depends on who you hire to do the work.
If you try to shove Hollywood to do it, it usually doesn't work.

While Japan knows how to handle their own mediums very well more often than not.

Live-Action Rurouni Kenshin Movie Trilogies is a good example of the transition from Manga ► Anime ► Live-Action

Sci-Fi Action-Adventure TV is a common trope, even in Anime.
Who you hire & cast to portray it will affect how it comes out.

Just because NetFlix failed with Cowboy Bebop doesn't mean it couldn't have been adapted well.
They just hired some bad writers/directors and miscasted a few of the core characters.

The same goes the other way, if you try to bring in Gundam to Live-Action (And they are doing that), it can be done if you get the right person.

It was the same as when they turned Castlevania from a Game into a Anime, when handled by the right person, it was done well.
But you need the right person to understand the conversion between mediums.

 

[BK613]

Also reminded me of the helmet that Matt LeBlanc had in the Lost in Space film.

Which, in turn, reminded me of the Ra and Horus-guard headwear in the original Stargate film....

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

They don't need to catch the MCU. They need to make money on the movies that they put out there, worrying about what a competitor does instead of what you can accomplish, leads to many bad products.

And how's that going? Is Superman making enough $$$?
They have a good start, but who knows how the following week at the Box Office will be.

 

[BillJ]

And how's that going? Is Superman making enough $$$?

The only people who will ever truly know will be the accountants at Warner Brothers.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

The only people who will ever truly know will be the accountants at Warner Brothers.

The infamous WB accounting / Hollywood accounting.

The same group who shafted JMS when he made Babylon 5 back in the day.

 

[BillJ]

The infamous WB accounting / Hollywood accounting.

The same group who shafted JMS when he made Babylon 5 back in the day.

It is what it is. Everyone is aware of the practice, but without detailed records, no one will ever know just how profitable any given movie is.

 

[BK613]

was it batmobile armor?

Batman, 1989

 

[Firebird]

Not necessarilly, they've been trying to make Live-Action Anime/Manga for a long time.

Depends on who you hire to do the work.
If you try to shove Hollywood to do it, it usually doesn't work.

While Japan knows how to handle their own mediums very well more often than not.

Again, we’re not talking about Japan. We’re talking about an American TV show primarily made for an American audience.

How Japanese companies handle properties made for Japanese audiences is immaterial to this discussion.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

It is what it is. Everyone is aware of the practice, but without detailed records, no one will ever know just how profitable any given movie is.

I'm not worried about the "Detailed Records".

I'm worried about them lying about how profitable something really is.

There's a reason why "Hollywood Accounting" is a well known issue.

They are full of liars, trying to siphon away as much money for themselves to shaft the production team & staff.

Again, we’re not talking about Japan. We’re talking about an American TV show primarily made for an American audience.

How Japanese companies handle properties made for Japanese audiences is immaterial to this discussion.

Conversion of elements of Japanese Media to Live-Action American TV is.

And there are elments of Anime / Japanese TV that I like that I think would work well in the Live-Action format.

 

[BillJ]

I'm worried about them lying about how profitable something really is.

I really don't care. You know how something was profitable enough? They make more.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I really don't care. You know how something was profitable enough? They make more.

That's usually not a gurantee of enough profitability.

Upper management just might be doubling down on Sunk Cost fallacy.

It's happened before, it'll happen again.

 

[Firebird]

And there are elments of Anime / Japanese TV that I like that I think would work well in the Live-Action format.

There are a lot of things in anime that I enjoy, but I know they won’t translate to a mainstream audience. Just because I like something doesn’t mean I can’t be objective about it.

 

[BillJ]

Upper management just might be doubling down on Sunk Cost fallacy.

Most businesses don't throw good money after bad. Or else, we would've had Superman Returns 2 and Man of Steel 2 and Justice League 2.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Who else remembers when this thread was about Star Trek? Actual Star Trek, not what people want Star Trek to be.

 

[BillJ]

Who else remember someone this thread was about Star Trek? Actual Star Trek, not what people want Star Trek to be.

Controversial opinion... I don't want Star Trek in my Star Trek!!!