What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Tallguy]

Not even TSFS?

Nope.

Yes, it was a big deal. It had never been done. Yes, it was the Enterprise. It was Kirk's Enterprise.

But it was not THE Enterprise the way it was in GEN.

I love Star Trek III. Seriously. I know all the reasons it supposedly doesn't work and I really know all of the things in it that are dumb. It gave us Klingons with bird ships and cloaking devices. (NIMOY!!!) The Enterprise is "20 years old". (What?!??) Spacedock is gorgeous but stupid.

However the destruction of the Enterprise absolutely works.

But it's not like they blew up the TOS Enterprise and we saw the destruction of the original sets while all of the crew including Mr. Kyle and Eddie Paskey are in peril.

GEN blew up the honest to gosh Enterprise D. And unlike the refit 1701 or the JJ-prise or even the Defiant, she wasn't back by the next movie or even before the end credits.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Generations basically looks like a regular TNG episode with dimmer lighting to me, not sure what the big deal is.

This.

GEN's "moodier" lighting did nothing to change the ship's interiors from looking like the hotel / Princess Cruises ship--a design problem apparent since the TNG pilot.

 

[FredH]

Nope.

Yes, it was a big deal. It had never been done. Yes, it was the Enterprise. It was Kirk's Enterprise.

But it was not THE Enterprise the way it was in GEN.

I love Star Trek III. Seriously. I know all the reasons it supposedly doesn't work and I really know all of the things in it that are dumb. It gave us Klingons with bird ships and cloaking devices. (NIMOY!!!) The Enterprise is "20 years old". (What?!??) Spacedock is gorgeous but stupid.

However the destruction of the Enterprise absolutely works.

But it's not like they blew up the TOS Enterprise and we saw the destruction of the original sets while all of the crew including Mr. Kyle and Eddie Paskey are in peril.

GEN blew up the honest to gosh Enterprise D. And unlike the refit 1701 or the JJ-prise or even the Defiant, she wasn't back by the next movie or even before the end credits.

I hear what you’re saying, but I always accepted the refit to be the TOS Enterprise under the surface alterations — which, in-universe, it was. So to me, yeah, that was THE ship I’d grown up watching on TV, so it was more of a gut-punch than the D later was.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I hear what you’re saying, but I always accepted the refit to be the TOS Enterprise under the surface alterations — which, in-universe, it was. So to me, yeah, that was THE ship I’d grown up watching on TV, so it was more of a gut-punch than the D later was.

Brought tears to my eyes when the refit went down in flames

 

[cooleddie74]

The NCC-1701 dying in a ball of fire in TSFS still makes me wet-eyed to this day.

 

[Ovation]

This.

GEN's "moodier" lighting did nothing to change the ship's interiors from looking like the hotel / Princess Cruises ship--a design problem apparent since the TNG pilot.

Cinematography is still much better and can be seen in a number of shots where the Enterprise’s interior is nowhere in sight. Both things can be true simultaneously.

 

[137th Gebirg]

The NCC-1701 dying in a ball of fire in TSFS still makes me wet-eyed to this day.

Me too, brother. Me too.

 

[Farscape One]

The NCC-1701 dying in a ball of fire in TSFS still makes me wet-eyed to this day.

Same here, man. How could I not? She was a beautiful lady, and an integral character.

 

[cooleddie74]

Even Kirk in-universe realizes what he's just done. Deckplate for hullpate the exact same Enterprise from TOS? No, but still technically the same ship and the carrier of a 40-year legacy under multiple Captains.

 

[HotRod]

I've said this before but it bears repeating: GEN is the only movie that blows up THE Enterprise. The ship we've lived on for seven years. Not a refit. Not a reboot. THE Enterprise.

And all of the cast and even some of the extras were there to mourn her.

I never really bonded with the Ent-D. When she was destroyed, I didn't feel anything but frustration over how poorly it preformed against an old Bird of Prey. Shields or no shields, that was embarrassing.

I hear what you’re saying, but I always accepted the refit to be the TOS Enterprise under the surface alterations — which, in-universe, it was. So to me, yeah, that was THE ship I’d grown up watching on TV, so it was more of a gut-punch than the D later was.

This. The Original 1701 was THE Enterprise. TOS version, Refit version, SNW version, doesn't matter. NCC-1701 is The Enterprise. No bloody A, B, C, D, E, F, or G.

 

[FredH]

This. The Original 1701 was THE Enterprise. TOS version, Refit version, SNW version, doesn't matter. NCC-1701 is The Enterprise. No bloody A, B, C, D, E, F, or G.

Now, all that said, while I didn’t feel especially emotional when the D crashed, I did when it returned in Picard. Still seems a waste to not just recommission her, given her performance — compared to, say, every single other ship on Starfleet that day…

 

[TheAdmiralty]

The Enterprise refit discussion is like the old Yankee Stadium being torn down. It had been upgraded over the years and was a very different stadium from what it was in the 20's or 30's but all the great moments still happened there

 

[CorporalCaptain]

They spoiled the refit destruction in TSFS in a TV spot just a few days before the movie premiered.

 

[fireproof78]

Kirk's response is what gets me.

Sadly, Picard was nowhere near his ship going down.

 

[TheAdmiralty]

Also I think the Enterprise refit blowing up has more impact because the ship is structurally completely destroyed and is gone, it doesn't just crash. Picard and Riker are standing in the wreck of the bridge in the last scene. The nameplate shot in TSFS hits way harder than anything that happened to the D in Generations.

 

[CoveTom]

Regardless of View-Screen Window or Moon Roof, having the Bridge on top central area of the Saucer section is a general bad idea.

You generally want to bury it in the hull. near the main computer and main center routers that connect to all the other computer lines across the vessel.

But are they Sisko routers? *rimshot*

I'll see myself out...

 

[137th Gebirg]

 

[Tallguy]

They spoiled the refit destruction in TSFS in a TV spot just a few days before the movie premiered.

"They steal the Enterprise and blow it up" was the basis of the whole ad campaign. I gather Mr. Nimoy was displeased. "Spoiled" doesn't begin to cover it. Then Starlog told me that David was killed. Why am I a spoilerphobe? Return of the Jedi and The Search for Spock!

I made sure I was blissfully unaware of the end of The Voyage Home.

For all the "But the refit was the Enterprise as far as I was concerned" etc.: True. Absolutely. I'm just saying for the D you didn't need even the possibility of any of the abstraction.

Heck, I think a strong case can be made that as far as The Wrath of Khan (and by extension The Search for Spock) is concerned there was no difference between what they were showing and what the show "looked like" (and TMP probably never happened). Khan's people were in TMP style cargo containers and Khan had a piece of a TWOK style uniform that belonged to his wife from Space Seed.

It's SNW all over again (for the first time)! (Except SNW shows the "TOS" uniforms and the "TWOK" uniforms at the same time. Ahhhh Star Trek.)

 

[1001001]

But are they Sisko routers? *rimshot*

I'll see myself out...

 

[Tallguy]

But are they Sisko routers? *rimshot*

I'll see myself out...

Could have been an Archer.