You do know the definition of 'conceptual' ?
Conceptually speaking she was far, far worse than Hitler.
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Conceptually speaking she was far, far worse than Hitler.
Nope. Bollocks, sorry. Also I’m certain I know my way around a dictionary better than you do judging by the literacy level you’ve displayed elsewhere on the board.
No fictional character is ‘worse than Hitler’ because no fictional character is actually responsible for the death of millions.
For you to say so, even in jest, pisses on the memory of millions upon millions of innocent people who met miserable deaths during WWII.
Now sit down and stop trying to punch above your weight. Thanks.
''Yeh, but bacon tastes gid. PORK CHOPS taste gid.''
Hannibal Lecter is NOT a worse serial killer than I am because Hannibal Lecter is not actually a serial killer.
I’ve always found the term, ‘worst serial killer ever’ to be strange when used to refer to those who leave a high body count behind them.
Surely the worst serial killer would be one who fails to kill anyone?
Love the avatar BTW.
All right then, "conceptually" speaking, what else could Georgiou have been? She was raised in a society were such behavior was considered both acceptable and desirable. She appeared to have been a rather well adjusted child who loved her family until she was indoctrinated into a 2-year Hunger Game style kill or be killed scenario and was rewarded for her efforts. Georgiou was created by society and circumstance while Hitler was just being himself. Georgiou was capable of change and growth and openly acknowledged that she was a monster. Once free of the Mirror Universe environment, she developed a conscience and worked to make up for her actions. When the end of her reign came, she was perfectly willing to accept the judgment of her people, while Hitler ordered scorched Earth and killed himself to avoid capture. Hitler would have never become the "monster with a conscience" that Georgiou described herself in the Section 31 movie. If Hitler had been given the same opportunity that Carl gave Georgiou, he would have done everything exactly the way he did before, while Georgiou tried to do things differently. Your premise falls apart at even the slightest scrutiny, and is quite frankly insulting to Hitler's victims, Holocaust survivors and their descendants.
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Hannibal Lecter is not a more successful serial killer than I am either. Same reason.
Thank you. (<-- Album cover of Local Hero for people looking at this from The Future.)
Not for the brine, my friend. I soak the chops in a mix of apple juice, salt, brown sugar, and a few other spices for 24 hours. Then you can cook them however you like and they stay perfectly moist and a rather lovely flavour.
I was just making a Brady Bunch joke…
I know a lot of people don’t like Georgiou’s redemption. I can’t say that I totally blame them, but watching Yeoh in the role was quite fun.
New theory: Section 31 was based on the Deep 13 organization run by Dr. Clayton Forrester, and later Kinga Forrester. Deep 13 in reverse is 31 PEED which clearly stands for Provisional Extraterrestrial Enigmatic Division.
This ties in MST3k with the Star Trek Universe. Was Admiral Maxwell Forrest a descendant!? Was he named after Max aka "TV's Son of TV's Frank" (nobody calls him that),Kinga Forrester's beloved assistant?
At least one portion of the Forrester family stuck with experimenting with low-quality subversive entertainment, as Broht & Forrester published Photons Be Free.
added: how does Pearl fit into this? It's a conspiracy.
This ties in MST3k with the Star Trek Universe. Was Admiral Maxwell Forrest a descendant!? Was he named after Max aka "TV's Son of TV's Frank" (nobody calls him that),Kinga Forrester's beloved assistant?
At least one portion of the Forrester family stuck with experimenting with low-quality subversive entertainment, as Broht & Forrester published Photons Be Free.
added: how does Pearl fit into this? It's a conspiracy.
Yeah, and of course Lily Sloane is a more sophisticated take on that character, as she's able to puncture Picard's veneer unlike anyone else on the crew.
I guess Raffi is similar, and Shaw. Some of Picard's best foils are the type of characters who can take him down a peg or two from his lofty perch.
But that's not to take away from Picard, he does represent the best of humanity's ideals about itself.
I sometimes wonder if that's why he so obsessed Q - it's obvious to me that Q was teaching Picard, not merely playing with nor torturing him. He was taking this great and good person and trying to make him reach his full potential, to see if it was possible for humanity to take the next step.
Ha, well thank you!Dude, you kind of just blew my mind with this.
I suppose I always sort of knew this, but I've never seen nearly 4 decades of Trek verbalized at such an effectively executive-summary level as to truly see the big picture at this particular angle.
It also happens to be Peter Capaldi on the cover. Bonus!
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Anyone who thinks Georgiou actually reached the level of "redemption" clearly wasn't paying attention to the story. She was irredeemable. So was Garak, for that matter. The point is they both saw the error of their ways and then strove to do better. And that's all anyone can ask of any of us.
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He also didn't know that Klingons used to have smooth foreheads.
Starfleet is apparently pretty good about burying information.
Kor
How have I owned that album for years without knowing this?
Looking at it as well, you can totally tell.
Mind blown.
Edit - Just googled. Been so long since I saw the movie that I forgot Capaldi was in it… Nice though!
Oh, make no mistake, so are we. Have been for decades.
All one needs to do is push a gaslighting narrative against a given truth that needs to be subdued (usually by activating deeply-built hooks controlling the establishment media) claiming anyone who espouses said-truth to be, at best, "dangerous peddlers of misinformation" and, at worst, condemning said-individual or group as an enemy of the people.
Happens every day. Whether it's a good thing or bad thing depends entirely on the POV of anyone listening to the establishment narrative.
And real psychiatric treatment is slow and would not make good television.
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