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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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It would seem that while the MCU 616 is the sacred timeline, the comics 616 was the original timeline. As per Miss Minutes...

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Well, that was an expected video. Has Miss Minutes been doing these for awhile, is this a special one-off for First Steps, or will there be more of Miss Minutes info videos?
 
But that's what doesn't make sense. The whole thing that drove the plot of Secret Invasion was that Fury failed to find the Skrulls a new homeworld. The villain was motivated by his sense of betrayal about that, and wanted to take over Earth because the Skrulls had nowhere else to live. So if they have a viable colony world as shown in The Marvels, then the entire conflict of Secret Invasion has no reason to happen.

Weren't they basically the good Skrulls that needed a home? You still have bad Skrulls out their. Like the ones we saw in "Agents of Shield." Maybe because they are good is the reason they can't just go to one of these other Skrull worlds. Their ethics wouldn't allow it.
 
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They had plenty of advance warning that there would be a Skrull colony in the movie, so why the hell did they build their story around Fury's failure to establish a Skrull colony?

Because the story was probably intended to be about Skrulls who were angry at Fury specifically but targeting Earth generally.

We also don't know how long the Skrull invasion plot has been in play or exactly when Carol successfully helped find the Skrulls a new planet, so it's entirely conceivable that the Skrulls in Secret Invasion were either unaware of Carol finding the Skrulls a new home or didn't care to let it stop their plans to invade Earth and go after Fury.

TLDR, Secret Invasion and The Marvels don't have to be seen as contradictory if you frame the context of the plot of the former as being specifically motivated by personal anger towards Fury (as was probably intended to be the case).
 
But are they meant to tie into something? I could buy the FF one being a promotional tie to the movie, but a Spidey/Daredevil teamup doesn't promote anything coming up anytime soon.
It's just a series of 'this day in history' shorts. No tie in other than teaching people events in comic history.
 
It's just a series of 'this day in history' shorts. No tie in other than teaching people events in comic history.

If that's all it is, it's a strangely elaborate way of going about it. I mean, producing that level of animation is not cheap or quick, even with modern digital techniques. It seems like a lot of expense to go to for something that's too short to be a satisfying work of entertainment in its own right and isn't a promotion or commercial for anything beyond the general concept that Marvel Comics existed in the 1960s.
 
I'm loving how in-depth they went into creating this retro 60's world, one that the ABC Special Presentation card states as 1964. Complete with large physical sets and plenty of practical effects.

Also of interest, George Meredith is the name of a 19th-century author but whose work doesn't include anything called Sunrise in Minsk. I honestly don't know what to make of that.

Another film is Larry Richardson's Dear Margaret, starring Diana Kearing, Rita Burns, and Juno Laing, none of whom turn up in any searches.

Lyle Moss also stars in the previously mentioned Subzero Intel.
 
I've never seen the point of a retro approach to the FF, who have always been a forward-looking team representing the cutting edge of progress, but I guess the creation of an alternate world that's futuristic in a retro way is kind of interesting, and novel for the MCU.

I find it a bit incongruous that they talk about doing so many of the sets and props and things practically, yet still have an entirely CGI Thing. I've always thought that the practical Thing costumes in the Roger Corman movie and the 2005 movie were both excellent, and you could do even better with modern animatronics tech, judiciously CGI-enhanced where useful.
 
I'm loving how in-depth they went into creating this retro 60's world, one that the ABC Special Presentation card states as 1964. Complete with large physical sets and plenty of practical effects.

Also of interest, George Meredith is the name of a 19th-century author but whose work doesn't include anything called Sunrise in Minsk. I honestly don't know what to make of that.

Another film is Larry Richardson's Dear Margaret, starring Diana Kearing, Rita Burns, and Juno Laing, none of whom turn up in any searches.

Lyle Moss also stars in the previously mentioned Subzero Intel.
Maybe they are obscure deep cuts from pre-FF romance comics. :lol:
 
The CG Thing is miles better than anything done with the character onscreen up to this point.

Grimm might as well have been conceived for CG animation, now that I think about it. :lol:
 
The CG Thing is miles better than anything done with the character onscreen up to this point.

Grimm might as well have been conceived for CG animation, now that I think about it. :lol:

Even better than this?

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Even better than this?

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That and the Doom mask and armor were made by the same company, and they were both pretty impressive for the time and the budget. That's true enough.
 
I'm loving how in-depth they went into creating this retro 60's world, one that the ABC Special Presentation card states as 1964. Complete with large physical sets and plenty of practical effects.

That 1964 point is promising. The Fantastic Four were and are a Cold War concept to its core. The reason for their existence is tied to the perceptions and aspirations of that period. It does not matter how many times origins have been re-told or the shifting timeline has been employed (e.g. Reed and Ben's early years), the FF is--more than any other Marvel creation--a 1960s animal. They were the wildly advanced standout among the silvery/white rocketry/Air Force trappings of the early 60s--using the promise of the Space Race, but evolving it to levels that--in what should be obvious--made the team fantastic in the world, not just more modern day heroes who exist in such great numbers they're like Starbucks--seemingly on every corner.

I look forward to a FF production that acknowledges and pays some respect to its roots, which would be the first time a FF adaptation took that route since a production from the 60s--Hanna-Barbera's 1967 animated series.
 
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