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The Classic/Retro Pop Culture Thread

Uganda's dictator, Idi Amin, postponed the execution of British citizen Denis Hills, a day before Hills was set to go before a firing squad for statements made in the unpublished manuscript of The White Pumpkin. Amin's decision came after he hosted two British envoys at his hometown of Arua. The envoys, bearing a written appeal from Queen Elizabeth II, had been Amin's commanding officers when Amin had been a sergeant in the King's African Rifles in the colonial British Army. Hills would be released by Amin on July 10.
Now there's a lucky guy.

The United States Supreme Court voted 8–0 to accept the resignation of former U.S. President Richard M. Nixon from practice before the court.
"Shall we forego debate?"

To the horror of rescuers, scores of residents of Rosedale descended on the scene to loot jewelry, money, and other valuables from the scattered luggage, and even from the victims' bodies.
Unbelievable.

Meteorologist Ted Fujita's research of the disaster led to his discovery of microbursts, sudden downdrafts of wind at high speed.
Something good came from it, I guess.

After getting permission to use the bathroom, Carlos came back out firing a gun and killed two of the officers
Oh, come on, guys!

"IT'S A COOKBOOK!"
"Time enough at last..."
"There's a man on the wing!"
"This
is the other place!"
"You'd better be nice to me."
"You're a bad man!"
Nice. :bolian:

Died: Rod Serling, 50, American television screenwriter best known as host of The Twilight Zone
I remember reading this in the paper, of course. Even then I was shocked at how young he was. Now it feels like he died in his childhood.

"It's All Down to Goodnight Vienna," Ringo Starr
It seems like I heard this just recently. :rommie:

"Saturday Night Special," Lynyrd Skynyrd
One of two or three really good songs they did. Strong nostalgic value.

"Could It Be Magic," Barry Manilow
One of his good ones. Moderate nostalgic value.

"Fame," David Bowie
He's pretty much in his peak period here. Strong nostalgic value.

The fuel depot was in 1978.
Oops. Lost track of my time period again.

To refuel rockets to Mars.
So... they would have gone there anyway? I thought they had to reroute.

Somebody pointed this out on IMDb...that the Tic-Toc crew should have questioned why Future Beard didn't seem to know who Tony and Doug were.
They lost track of their time periods too. :rommie:

But he got the meatier part you wanted.
That's true.

I think the idea of the advanced Mars program already being underway in the show's present would have worked better if they'd been at least a few more years in the future. Granted, prior to the Apollo 1 disaster, the Moon program might have been expected to have been further along in 1968.
Even the current time period of the show should have been farther in the future.

I was afraid from what I'd seen so far that might be the case. The Invaders is definitely the stronger show of the two.
Oh, yeah, absolutely.

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"This ain't no disco..."
That's what Sci Fi is supposed to look like. :rommie:

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I'm assuming that the latter is from the 1950 movie.
Yeah. It must have been encased in the third stage for its own protection. :rommie:

Bing-ed. The very idea that a future space mission would pick him up begged all sorts of questions, but Doug did think that Beard was deluding himself.
He was on a suicide mission and didn't know it.

It was like watching a tennis match....

Not necessarily their field of expertise.
Sure, but you can throw a bomb pretty far in that 1/6th Lunar gravity. :rommie:

I recall this being discussed in the Other Thread. I don't know if the show ever gives an explanation, but if I had to come up with one, I'd assume that only the clothes that were with them in the rad bath when they entered the Tunnel could be pulled out with them.
That's what I was thinking. So if they ever changed clothes, they'd always land at their next destination naked-- unless the clothes automatically got pulled through from wherever they were and got dumped on their heads. But this would also mean that anything they were carrying, or put in their pockets, would disappear. They wouldn't be able to accumulate any cash or weapons or anything.

It's basically a redress of The Fugitive.
Yeah, there's a few of those. It's a strong concept.

Not Elliott's father.
True. :rommie:

Actually, there was a crew putting it out.
My faith in TV adventure shows is restored.

There was clearly a mental block there. Remembering his role in his father's death was what triggered the violent headaches.
Oh, so he was fighting it. Okay.

I got screen grabs for him!
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Now if only Tic-Toc is still running...
Well, it's a time machine, so technically it's running from the Big Bang to the heat death of the universe. :rommie:

Council? Counsel? No, wait, there's a third spelling...!
:rommie:

Now that would've been pretty far out.
Yeah, actually, the more I think about it the more I like it.

Kate Winslet posing nude.
Ah, yes, I was aware of that too. Nicely composed.

They did. It was in all the promos.
Explaining my awareness of it. :rommie:

That's why you're not a grim '60s TV lead.
And I would have made such a great adventure hero. :(

Are you sure you won't try the coffee...?
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Well, I wouldn't want to hurt anybody's feelings. :rommie:

Assuming they're not characters from King of the Hill, which I used to catch sometimes in the '90s...
Did they mention them on King of the Hill? I never saw that one.

That's why they had David define the nature of his plot armor in the first episode.
I think I missed that, or I'm forgetting it....

They only had two that I bothered getting for my collection, and the second is years away; but we'll see as we go along.
I'm guessing it's not "Muskrat Love." :rommie:
 
I remember reading this in the paper, of course. Even then I was shocked at how young he was. Now it feels like he died in his childhood.
He'll soon have been dead as long as he was alive. He would've been 100 now.

It seems like I heard this just recently. :rommie:
Darren might've posted it early.

One of two or three really good songs they did. Strong nostalgic value.
Typical hard rock radio fare. Not one of their biggies.

One of his good ones. Moderate nostalgic value.
Moody, nice sound; but one of those songs I have trouble thinking of how it goes when I'm not listening to it.

He's pretty much in his peak period here. Strong nostalgic value.
And this would be the one with John on it (backing vocals and acoustic guitar, as well as co-writing credit with Bowie and guitarist Carlos Alomar).

So... they would have gone there anyway? I thought they had to reroute.
Guess it was there for when it was needed, like this occasion.

Even the current time period of the show should have been farther in the future.
That's what I meant. From a 1966 perspective, I can buy the idea of a Mars program being underway by 1978. But it was too much of a stretch for it to already be in its early stages in 1968. One small step / giant leap at a time--let's get to the Moon first, folks.

Yeah. It must have been encased in the third stage for its own protection. :rommie:
What kind of rocket is that? Would it have had a third stage? Anyway, they used the same control room and service module for the whole trip.

It was like watching a tennis match....
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That's what I was thinking. So if they ever changed clothes, they'd always land at their next destination naked-- unless the clothes automatically got pulled through from wherever they were and got dumped on their heads. But this would also mean that anything they were carrying, or put in their pockets, would disappear. They wouldn't be able to accumulate any cash or weapons or anything.
I'm pretty sure they do have some occasion to change costumes in future episodes, so the clothes always just magically get back on them.

Yeah, there's a few of those. It's a strong concept.
Yeah, but this was an intended replacement show by the same production company when the original was winding down.

Well, it's a time machine, so technically it's running from the Big Bang to the heat death of the universe. :rommie:
Yeah, but you'd have to go to the complex at a point in time when it existed and had people running it.

Yeah, actually, the more I think about it the more I like it.
You got me picturing Lee Meriwether in an SS uniform with a riding crop....

Well, I wouldn't want to hurt anybody's feelings. :rommie:
One of us! One of us!

Did they mention them on King of the Hill? I never saw that one.
Were they around then? I couldn't say. Hill was the surname of the family on the show.

I think I missed that, or I'm forgetting it....
When David speculated in the first episode that the aliens shot their wad with trying to off him directly when they burned down his apartment; that they wouldn't try again because it would draw too much attention and people would start to believe him.

I'm guessing it's not "Muskrat Love." :rommie:
No, their other chart-topper, from the tail end of the decade. Also their last Top 40 hit. I don't think that I actually remembered most of the hits in-between when I was populating my collection.
 
He'll soon have been dead as long as he was alive. He would've been 100 now.
True. I was just thinking that about JFK recently. Boggles the mind.

Darren might've posted it early.
I think so. I remember we were talking about the Day The Earth Stood Still album cover.

Typical hard rock radio fare. Not one of their biggies.
I was actually going to say that it has strong nostalgic value for both 1975 and the early 80s. It used to get a lot of play on BCN, along with "That Smell" and "Gimme Three Steps." Other stuff, too, but those are the ones I like.

Moody, nice sound; but one of those songs I have trouble thinking of how it goes when I'm not listening to it.
Well, that's Barry Manilow. He always reminds me of my old junior high school girlfriend, who loved him-- and she, I saw on Facebook, unexpectedly passed away within the past couple of months. That was kind of a gut punch.

Guess it was there for when it was needed, like this occasion.
I guess. They should have put it in orbit to avoid wasting all that fuel on the descent and ascent.

That's what I meant. From a 1966 perspective, I can buy the idea of a Mars program being underway by 1978. But it was too much of a stretch for it to already be in its early stages in 1968. One small step / giant leap at a time--let's get to the Moon first, folks.
Yeah, right. They should have pushed everything way far away into the 21st century. Instead of a Mars mission, it could have been the Jupiter III. :rommie:

What kind of rocket is that? Would it have had a third stage? Anyway, they used the same control room and service module for the whole trip.
I have no idea what kind of rocket was in the live footage. It was probably something old that did not have a third stage. :rommie:

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Someone on my forum just posted that ChatGPT was beaten at chess by an old Atari unit. I wonder how it would do at Pong. :rommie:

I'm pretty sure they do have some occasion to change costumes in future episodes, so the clothes always just magically get back on them.
That's definitely magical. Extrapolating on this concept, their hygiene must reset as well. And what about any food that they've eaten? And partially digested? Okay, I'm going to stop extrapolating.

Yeah, but this was an intended replacement show by the same production company when the original was winding down.
Ah, I didn't know that. I never even thought about them overlapping.

Yeah, but you'd have to go to the complex at a point in time when it existed and had people running it.
That is true.

You got me picturing Lee Meriwether in an SS uniform with a riding crop....
I see her in something similar to what Uhura was wearing in the Mirror Universe, only Navy blue. At first, she's wearing that crisp white lab coat over it, but all those sparks heat the place up so she has to take it off and throw it over the back of her chair. And then... but, no, I'll stop there. :rommie:

One of us! One of us!
Actually, there's been a couple of times when I drank coffee. When I was in grade school, I'd drink a cup of coffee with Uncle Joe as we watched The Three Stooges, because it felt all grown up. Then when I was at BMC, they had a Keurig in the kitchenette and I actually did like the Jamaican Blue.

Were they around then? I couldn't say. Hill was the surname of the family on the show.
Oh, I get it. :rommie: The Barney and Betty Hill thing goes back to 1960 or something, so they were definitely around.

When David speculated in the first episode that the aliens shot their wad with trying to off him directly when they burned down his apartment; that they wouldn't try again because it would draw too much attention and people would start to believe him.
Ah, right. It's strange how these aliens seem extraordinarily powerful and yet extraordinarily weak at the same time.

No, their other chart-topper, from the tail end of the decade. Also their last Top 40 hit. I don't think that I actually remembered most of the hits in-between when I was populating my collection.
Looking at their discography, they had fewer than I would have guessed. Maybe four that I really liked.
 


We're Gonna Need a Bigger 50th Anniversary Cinematic Special



Jaws
Directed by Steven Spielberg
Starring Roy Scheider, Robert Shaw, and Richard Dreyfuss
Released June 20, 1975
1976 Academy Awards for Best Sound; Best Film Editing; and Best Music, Original Dramatic Score (John Williams); nominee for Best Picture
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Jaws is a 1975 American thriller film directed by Steven Spielberg. Based on the 1974 novel by Peter Benchley, it stars Roy Scheider as police chief Martin Brody, who, with the help of a marine biologist (Richard Dreyfuss) and a professional shark hunter (Robert Shaw), hunts a man-eating great white shark that attacks beachgoers at a summer resort town. Murray Hamilton plays the mayor, and Lorraine Gary portrays Brody's wife. The screenplay is credited to Benchley, who wrote the first drafts, and actor-writer Carl Gottlieb, who rewrote the script during principal photography.

I definitely recall the presence of this film looming large at the time of its release, though I only got around to watching the whole thing relatively recently, probably during an early hiatus season from 50th Anniversary Viewing. The version currently featured on Peacock is labeled Jaws 50 and includes a relatively brief intro by Spielberg in which he emphasizes the troubled production of the film and his uncertainty at the time that it would be a success.

Shot mostly on location at Martha's Vineyard in Massachusetts from May to October 1974, Jaws was the first major motion picture to be shot on the ocean and consequently had a troubled production, going over budget and schedule. As the art department's mechanical sharks often malfunctioned, Spielberg decided to mostly suggest the shark's presence, employing an ominous and minimalist theme created by composer John Williams to indicate its impending appearances. Spielberg and others have compared this suggestive approach to that of director Alfred Hitchcock. Universal Pictures released the film to over 450 screens, an exceptionally wide release for a major studio picture at the time, accompanied by an extensive marketing campaign with heavy emphasis on television spots and tie-in merchandise.
I'm dubious of the claim about it being the first to be shot on the ocean, but I read it in multiple places, and being shot on the ocean, in a practical version of the Orca boat that was so overloaded with crew and equipment that it was barely seaworthy, did reportedly contribute to the difficulties.

In the New England beach town of Amity Island, a young woman [Chrissie Watkins (Susan Backlinie)] goes for a late-night ocean swim. An unseen force attacks and pulls her underwater.
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Apparently it was an all-night party, and the iconic first shark attack--shot day-for-night--was meant to happen close to sunup. Chrissie's not-so-valiant suitor is Cassidy (Jonathan Filley). To his credit, he reports her as having possibly drowned before...
Her partial remains are found washed up on the beach the next morning.
By Chief Brody's deputy, Hendricks (Jeffrey C. Kramer), who's disturbed by the mostly off-camera gore, which is being swarmed by crabs. Along the way we meet Brody's wife, Ellen (Gary), and his young sons, Michael (Chris Rebello) and Sean (Jay Mello). Brody's established to be overworked with sundry matters in his first summer at Amity after relocating there from New York. We also eventually learn that despite his current locale, he has a lifelong fear of the water.

After the coroner concludes it was a shark attack, Amity police chief Martin Brody closes the beaches; Mayor Larry Vaughn [Hamilton] persuades him to reconsider, fearing the town's summer economy will suffer. The coroner [Dr. Robert Nevin], apparently under pressure, now concurs with the mayor's theory that it was a boating accident.
Vaughn's accomplice/sidekick in the effort to downplay the issue for tourism's sake is Amity Gazette editor Harry Meadows (screenplay co-writer Carl Gottlieb).

Brody reluctantly accepts their conclusion until young Alex Kintner [Jeffrey Voorhees] is killed at a crowded beach.
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Mrs. Kintner is played by Lee Fierro. Note the implied offscreen devouring of Tippet, a black lab whose owner had been tossing a stick for him out into the water prior to where that clip begins. :(

A $3,000 bounty is placed on the shark, causing an amateur shark-hunting frenzy.
The bounty is placed by Mrs. Kintner, with the mayor and Meadows attempting to downplay/bury it.
Quint [Shaw], an eccentric local shark hunter, offers his services for $10,000.
Be sure to turn the volume up really loud for Quint's dramatic intro--earbuds are recommended!
The Head, the Tail, the Whole Damn Thing

A pair of amateur shark-hunters attempt to catch the beast by night with a roast tied to a tire connected to a dock with a chain. One of them has a close call swimming back after the end of the dock is ripped away. The town is flooded with more amateurs out for the bounty, largely from out of town, as Matt Hooper (Dreyfuss) arrives from the Oceanographic Institute at Brody's request.
Hooper examines the girl's remains, confirming she was killed by an unusually large shark.
Dreyfuss is quite good in this, delivering lots of funny bits of business. His character is established as being a rich kid who got into his field after a adolescent experience in which a baby thresher shark devoured his fishing boat.

I actually don't like Richard Dreyfuss very much. It prevents me from really getting into Close Encounters.
You know, I never liked Richard Dreyfuss. Completely random, he just rubs me the wrong way somehow.
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When local fishermen catch a tiger shark,
I think it was actually a group of the amateurs.
Vaughn declares the beaches safe. A skeptical Hooper dissects the shark and, finding no human remains inside its stomach, concludes the killer shark is still out there.
Hooper's skeptical because the bite radius doesn't match Watkins's remains. The mayor says no to an autopsy, but a hard-drinking Brody takes Hooper to the shark by night after a dramatic confrontation with Mrs. Kintner, who holds him responsible for the beaches still being open after Watkins was found. Hooper, who'd been planning to leave town because of the mayor's lack of cooperation, does find a Louisiana license plate, indicating that the tiger shark came from the Gulf; and persuades a reluctant Brody to come with him on an excursion to prove that the big fish is still out there.
While searching the night waters in Hooper's boat, Hooper and Brody find the half-sunken boat of Ben Gardner, a local fisherman.
Craig Kingsbury, who played Gardner as being disdainful of the flotilla of amateurs in an earlier sequence, really was a local Martha's Vineyard fisherman, and influenced Shaw's portrayal of Quint.
Hooper dons a scuba suit and goes underwater to check the boat's hull; finds a large shark tooth embedded into it. He drops the tooth after encountering Gardner's severed head.
The most startling moment in the film for me on this revisit.

Vaughn dismisses Brody and Hooper's assertions that a great white shark caused the deaths and refuses to close the beaches, allowing only increased safety precautions. On the Fourth of July weekend, tourists pack the beaches. The shark enters a nearby lagoon, killing a boater and nearly killing Brody's son, Michael [Chris Rebello], who is hospitalized with shock.
Terror at the Beach Reopening
The TV reporter is played by the novel's author and screenplay's co-author, Peter Benchley. The estuary victim is Ted Grossman.

Brody then convinces a guilt-ridden Vaughn to hire Quint.
At least one shark attack later than the mayor should have been sold on the magnitude of the situation and done the right thing for everybody. Reportedly the novel had a discarded subplot about Vaughn being pressured by mob investors to keep the town open.

Despite initial tension between Quint and Hooper, and Brody's fear of the ocean, the three head out to sea on Quint's boat, the Orca, to hunt for the shark.
Quinn's initially dismissive of Hooper, considering him to be a soft city boy; but reluctantly agrees to bring him along as "ballast".

Hooper: I don't need this "working class hero" crap!​

As they're loading the boat and leaving the harbor, some doubt is cast by Quint's behavior, singing shanties and reciting lewd limericks. One of Dreyfuss's funniest bits of business comes as the voyage is underway, when Hooper watches Quint down a beer and crush the can, and then tries to match him by doing the same with a Styrofoam cup. Following this, we're conspicuously introduced to Chekhov's Compressed Air Tank. There's an early encounter with the unseen shark when Quint apparently hooks him and it breaks his line.

As Brody lays down a chum line, the shark suddenly appears behind the boat. Quint, estimating it is 25 feet long and weighs 3 tons, harpoons it with a line attached to a flotation barrel, but the shark pulls it underwater and disappears.
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At nightfall, Quint and Hooper drunkenly exchange stories about their assorted body scars.
Scars Scene
This is an important bonding scene, after Hooper has earned Quint's respect with his seamanship and performance under pressure.
One of Quint's is a removed tattoo; he reveals that during World War II, he survived the sinking of the USS Indianapolis, during which sharks killed many U.S. sailors.
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This is a true story, though the wrong date is given. According to Gottlieb, the final version of this scene was mostly written by Shaw himself, who was a playwright.

The shark returns, ramming the boat's hull and disabling the power. The men work through the night, repairing the engine. In the morning, Brody attempts to call the Coast Guard, but Quint, obsessed with killing the shark without outside assistance, smashes the radio. After a long chase, Quint harpoons the shark with another barrel. The line is tied to the stern cleats, but the shark drags the boat backward, swamping the deck and flooding the engine compartment. As Quint is about to sever the line to save the boat's transom, the cleats break off. The barrels stay attached to the shark. To Brody's relief, Quint speeds the Orca toward shore to draw the shark into shallower waters, but the damaged engine fails.
This is where things go into full-on monster movie / slasher flick territory as you have to suspend your disbelief about not only how much punishment this shark can take, but how much damage it can inflict while coming back for more, both overpowering and gradually destroying the boat--none of which reflects the behavior or known capabilities of actual great white sharks.

As the boat takes on water, the trio attempt a riskier approach. Hooper suits up and enters a shark-proof cage, intending to lethally inject the shark with strychnine via a hypodermic spear. The shark attacks the cage, causing Hooper to drop the spear. While the shark destroys the cage, Hooper escapes to the ocean bottom.
Hooper in the Cage
The shark leaps onto the boat's stern, subsequently devouring Quint.
Quint Is Devoured
Trapped on the sinking vessel, Brody thrusts a scuba tank into the shark's mouth and, climbing onto the crow's nest, shoots the tank with a rifle. The resulting explosion kills the shark.
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Hooper resurfaces and he and Brody paddle back to shore, clinging to the remaining barrels.
Sharing laughter of hysterical joy/relief even as Brody reports Quint's death.

Regarded as a watershed moment in motion picture history, Jaws was the prototypical summer blockbuster and won several awards for its music and editing. It was the highest-grossing film of all time until the release of Star Wars two years later; both films were pivotal in establishing the modern Hollywood business model, which pursues high box-office returns from action and adventure films with simple high-concept premises, released during the summer in thousands of theaters and advertised heavily. Jaws was followed by three sequels (none of which involved Spielberg or Benchley) and many imitative thrillers. In 2001, the Library of Congress selected it for preservation in the United States National Film Registry.
While I don't have much of a preexisting attachment to the film, it was a perfectly enjoyable watch, holding my attention and moving along at a good pace during my initial pleasure/absorption viewing. (The follow-up note-taking viewing always takes longer.) It's definitely a film that would have appealed to air-conditioned audiences on hot summer days, especially after their initial viewing, when going into the water was no longer an option.

Alas, the hysteria following the film reportedly led to an uptick in shark hunting and even one instance when a beached whale mistaken for a shark was beaten to death.



True. I was just thinking that about JFK recently. Boggles the mind.
And John Lennon for me.

It used to get a lot of play on BCN, along with "That Smell" and "Gimme Three Steps."
The latter of which appeared alongside "Free Bird" on their 1973 album (Pronounced 'Lĕh-'nérd 'Skin-'nérd), and has been recent 50th anniversary playlist business as the album's second chart run recently ended.

Well, that's Barry Manilow. He always reminds me of my old junior high school girlfriend, who loved him-- and she, I saw on Facebook, unexpectedly passed away within the past couple of months. That was kind of a gut punch.
My condolences. :(

Yeah, right. They should have pushed everything way far away into the 21st century. Instead of a Mars mission, it could have been the Jupiter III. :rommie:
Just a few more years would have been more convincing from a 1966 viewpoint. Why bother setting something in the future if it's going to barely be in the future? (Cue Picard Season 2 again.)

Someone on my forum just posted that ChatGPT was beaten at chess by an old Atari unit. I wonder how it would do at Pong. :rommie:
There's a telling story behind my joke about John Winston's TTT character being Kyle's ancestor. When I asked the Bing AI how many generations of grandfather 300 years would be, it did a calculation based on the routine number of 25 years/generation, which is debatable in practice, but I was willing to accept it for simplicity, coming up with 12. It then proceeded to describe the ancestor with twelve "greats" in front of "grandfather"--not taking into account the father and grandfather as two of the generations. It took me not one but two follow-up questions to get the AI to acknowledge the error.

That's definitely magical. Extrapolating on this concept, their hygiene must reset as well. And what about any food that they've eaten? And partially digested? Okay, I'm going to stop extrapolating.
I'd assume that once it's in the their bodies, it's good. They could potentially smuggle something small through time the hard way.

I see her in something similar to what Uhura was wearing in the Mirror Universe, only Navy blue. At first, she's wearing that crisp white lab coat over it, but all those sparks heat the place up so she has to take it off and throw it over the back of her chair. And then... but, no, I'll stop there. :rommie:
"Your agonizer, please."

Actually, there's been a couple of times when I drank coffee.
I meant to slip in somewhere along the way that Diane Baker immediately went on to play Kimble's 12th-hour love interest in the famous Fugitive finale.

Oh, I get it. :rommie: The Barney and Betty Hill thing goes back to 1960 or something, so they were definitely around.
The parents on the show were named Hank and Peggy.

Ah, right. It's strange how these aliens seem extraordinarily powerful and yet extraordinarily weak at the same time.
Their options are limited by the need to maintain secrecy.
 
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I definitely recall the presence of this film looming large at the time of its release, though I only got around to watching the whole thing relatively recently
I remember both the book and the movie being a big deal, but I didn't pay much attention because it was just a mainstream thing to me. I saw it later on TV in the late 70s or early 80s and it turns out I was pretty impressed, for various reasons.

I'm dubious of the claim about it being the first to be shot on the ocean
That does seem unlikely, but it's apparently true.

Apparently it was an all-night party, and the iconic first shark attack--shot day-for-night--was meant to happen close to sunup.
You can actually see the sunrise. And I always wondered where that patented Spielbergian backlighting came from in the shots from down below. :rommie:

We also eventually learn that despite his current locale, he has a lifelong fear of the water.
"Water. Why'd it have to be water?"

Mrs. Kintner is played by Lee Fierro. Note the implied offscreen devouring of Tippet, a black lab whose owner had been tossing a stick for him out into the water prior to where that clip begins. :(
Yes, that's a very ominous bit, but then quickly overshadowed by the madness that follows.

Be sure to turn the volume up really loud for Quint's dramatic intro--earbuds are recommended!
The Head, the Tail, the Whole Damn Thing
Thank you. :rommie: Actually, it doesn't bother me too much, but it makes me wonder if my Sister ever saw the movie-- just an errant scrape of a fork on a plate freaks her out.

To give credit where it's due, Dreyfuss does deliver my favorite line in the movie. :rommie:

The most startling moment in the film for me on this revisit.
There's a bunch of stuff that I'd forgotten, including this scene. Another big one is the cage scene at the end.

Reportedly the novel had a discarded subplot about Vaughn being pressured by mob investors to keep the town open.
I read the novel after I saw the movie. The really weird thing to me was that Brody's wife had an affair with Hooper. What th--?

One of Dreyfuss's funniest bits of business comes as the voyage is underway, when Hooper watches Quint down a beer and crush the can, and then tries to match him by doing the same with a Styrofoam cup.
Yeah, that's a good one. It's probably lost on the contemporary audience because today's beer cans are like tissue paper-- back in those days they were pretty heavy duty.

Scars Scene
This is an important bonding scene, after Hooper has earned Quint's respect with his seamanship and performance under pressure.
And there it is, my favorite line: "Mary Ellen Moffet-- she broke my heart." :rommie:

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This is a true story, though the wrong date is given. According to Gottlieb, the final version of this scene was mostly written by Shaw himself, who was a playwright.
And that is why they invented the word "riveting."

This is where things go into full-on monster movie / slasher flick territory as you have to suspend your disbelief about not only how much punishment this shark can take, but how much damage it can inflict while coming back for more, both overpowering and gradually destroying the boat--none of which reflects the behavior or known capabilities of actual great white sharks.
It does become a bizarre engine of supernatural vengeance, which is never really explained. As far as I can remember, it's never addressed in the novel, either, which is totally mainstream.

Go for the eyes!

Aw, man, not Quint. :(

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Okay, you're going to laugh, but one of the reasons I like this movie is that it's basically a big Night Stalker episode-- and that rifle shot is a classic Kolchak moment. :rommie:

While I don't have much of a preexisting attachment to the film, it was a perfectly enjoyable watch, holding my attention and moving along at a good pace during my initial pleasure/absorption viewing.
I can't say it's one of my favorite movies and I'm not about to add the DVD to my collection, but it's very engrossing. Spielberg earns his reputation. It's also got a great script.

Alas, the hysteria following the film reportedly led to an uptick in shark hunting and even one instance when a beached whale mistaken for a shark was beaten to death.
Yeah, people are nuts. :(

My condolences. :(
Thank you very much. It did lead to some melancholia.

There's a telling story behind my joke about John Winston's TTT character being Kyle's ancestor. When I asked the Bing AI how many generations of grandfather 300 years would be, it did a calculation based on the routine number of 25 years/generation, which is debatable in practice, but I was willing to accept it for simplicity, coming up with 12. It then proceeded to describe the ancestor with twelve "greats" in front of "grandfather"--not taking into account the father and grandfather as two of the generations. It took me not one but two follow-up questions to get the AI to acknowledge the error.
The AIs do fascinate me for their flaws as much as their capabilities. I feel like their development as simulations of the human mind will lead to insights into the thought process and mental illness.

I'd assume that once it's in the their bodies, it's good. They could potentially smuggle something small through time the hard way.
I hope so, because when you think about it, much of that digested food makes its way into their cells and organs-- if there's a long gap between time leaps, it could be deadly.

"Your agonizer, please."
"No need. I'm already in agony whenever you look at me."

I meant to slip in somewhere along the way that Diane Baker immediately went on to play Kimble's 12th-hour love interest in the famous Fugitive finale.
She's got a thing for guys on the run. :rommie:

So maybe Barney and Betty were cousins once removed... from Earth. :rommie:

Their options are limited by the need to maintain secrecy.
Yeah, but their need to maintain secrecy is indicative of weakness.
 

I remember both the book and the movie being a big deal, but I didn't pay much attention because it was just a mainstream thing to me. I saw it later on TV in the late 70s or early 80s and it turns out I was pretty impressed, for various reasons.
That's a pleasant surprise. I thought this might be on your "Bah, humbug!" list.

I belatedly realized that a lot of my vaguely recalled early background exposure to Jaws on Showtime might have been mostly, if not all, of Jaws 2. I do distinctly remember watching the opening scene in the original, however. Even as a little kid, the naked lady about to be attacked by a shark that was promoted as the iconic image of the film was a subject of fascination to me.

You can actually see the sunrise. And I always wondered where that patented Spielbergian backlighting came from in the shots from down below. :rommie:
At one point it seems like the sun is well up and covered by clouds. Then it's up (but lower) without the day/night filter in the last shot of Cassidy lying on the beach.

I found myself revisiting the parody scene in the infamous Spielberg 1979 comedy film 1941. Not only was Spielberg parodying his own breakout hit (which would have been lost on me when I first saw 1941 on Showtime in early adolescence), but he got Susan Backlinie to do herself--and leaving less to the imagination than in Jaws. It's been a long time, but I have to wonder if the Showtime version was edited to show at family-friendly times, because I don't remember seeing as much as I did in a YouTube vid that I found. (I'm sure it would be against board guidelines to post it here.)

Yes, that's a very ominous bit, but then quickly overshadowed by the madness that follows.
And they never follow up on it...I don't think the dog ever gets mentioned as a victim.

Thank you. :rommie: Actually, it doesn't bother me too much, but it makes me wonder if my Sister ever saw the movie-- just an errant scrape of a fork on a plate freaks her out.
:devil:

To give credit where it's due, Dreyfuss does deliver my favorite line in the movie. :rommie:
Now I'm picturing Richard Dreyfuss playing Tiny Tim....

There's a bunch of stuff that I'd forgotten, including this scene. Another big one is the cage scene at the end.
I read the novel after I saw the movie. The really weird thing to me was that Brody's wife had an affair with Hooper. What th--?
I read about that. It's said that they pretty much discarded the novel prior to the shark-hunting portion of the film. Spielberg, I think, is quoted as saying that he found all of the characters so unlikeable in the book that he was rooting for the shark! Also, Hooper died in the cage scene of the book; but survived in the film not by writing intent, but as an accident of production. It turned out that the best footage they got of a real shark attacking a smaller-scale version of the cage was when the cage wasn't occupied by its smaller-scale Dreyfuss double; so they improvised Hooper's escape and survival.

Yeah, that's a good one. It's probably lost on the contemporary audience because today's beer cans are like tissue paper-- back in those days they were pretty heavy duty.
And they'd be canceling Dreyfuss for drinking out of Styrofoam.

And there it is, my favorite line: "Mary Ellen Moffet-- she broke my heart." :rommie:
Huh. Not much of a LOL moment for me.

Aw, man, not Quint. :(
Who in the novel got pulled under like Captain Ahab, so I read.

Okay, you're going to laugh, but one of the reasons I like this movie is that it's basically a big Night Stalker episode-- and that rifle shot is a classic Kolchak moment. :rommie:
And, I read, totally scientifically inaccurate. I read that MythBusters did an entire episode about Jaws, which included disproving this bit of business.

I can't say it's one of my favorite movies and I'm not about to add the DVD to my collection, but it's very engrossing. Spielberg earns his reputation. It's also got a great script.
Sounds like we're pretty much on the same page here.

Yeah, people are nuts. :(
Gotta wonder how many of these people wear red hats with slogans on them these days....

I hope so, because when you think about it, much of that digested food makes its way into their cells and organs-- if there's a long gap between time leaps, it could be deadly.
Well, I wouldn't lose any sleep about the show ever getting anywhere close to any of that... :p

"No need. I'm already in agony whenever you look at me."
That line could be taken either way.

She's got a thing for guys on the run. :rommie:
Any ideas for an F-adjective that could have been placed before "famous Fugitive finale"? I'm no Stan, I was coming up blank for something that actually fit.

Yeah, but their need to maintain secrecy is indicative of weakness.
They do have their limits, from what I've read. And they may have other motivations for taking a covert approach.
 
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RIP, Bobby Sherman. He certainly led an interesting life and did not let his fame go to his head.

That's a pleasant surprise. I thought this might be on your "Bah, humbug!" list.
Heh. I suppose it is a surprise.

Even as a little kid, the naked lady about to be attacked by a shark that was promoted as the iconic image of the film was a subject of fascination to me.
Yeah, it really grabs you right from the start.

At one point it seems like the sun is well up and covered by clouds. Then it's up (but lower) without the day/night filter in the last shot of Cassidy lying on the beach.
These days they'd just fix it with CGI. :rommie:

I found myself revisiting the parody scene in the infamous Spielberg 1979 comedy film 1941.
Ah, there's another movie I still haven't seen.

Not only was Spielberg parodying his own breakout hit (which would have been lost on me when I first saw 1941 on Showtime in early adolescence), but he got Susan Backlinie to do herself--and leaving less to the imagination than in Jaws.
I think she was a nude model, so there are probably old pics out there in Internetland.

And they never follow up on it...I don't think the dog ever gets mentioned as a victim.
And probably the only time there was a non-human victim.

Spielberg, I think, is quoted as saying that he found all of the characters so unlikeable in the book that he was rooting for the shark!
Actually, that sounds about right. I do not recall enjoying the book.

Also, Hooper died in the cage scene of the book; but survived in the film not by writing intent, but as an accident of production. It turned out that the best footage they got of a real shark attacking a smaller-scale version of the cage was when the cage wasn't occupied by its smaller-scale Dreyfuss double; so they improvised Hooper's escape and survival.
Interesting. Did he make it into the sequels? Sounds almost like an Ian Malcom situation. :rommie:

And they'd be canceling Dreyfuss for drinking out of Styrofoam.
And for abusing sharks. Megalodons are endangered!

Huh. Not much of a LOL moment for me.
Ah, well. Different strokes. :rommie:

And, I read, totally scientifically inaccurate. I read that MythBusters did an entire episode about Jaws, which included disproving this bit of business.
That's a pity. On the other hand, that makes it even more like Kolchak. :rommie:

Gotta wonder how many of these people wear red hats with slogans on them these days....
All those still with us, probably.

Well, I wouldn't lose any sleep about the show ever getting anywhere close to any of that... :p
We need a revival so they can explore all my extrapolations. :rommie:

That line could be taken either way.
Oops. That's true. I guess I'm going to be punished for that. :rommie:

Any ideas for an F-adjective that could have been placed before "famous Fugitive finale"? I'm no Stan, I was coming up blank for something that actually fit.
How about "Fabled Fugitive Finale, f-endi." :D

They do have their limits, from what I've read. And they may have other motivations for taking a covert approach.
Something else we'll never know.
 
Ah, there's another movie I still haven't seen.
I think she was a nude model, so there are probably old pics out there in Internetland.
From what I read, she was primarily a stuntwoman who was comfortable working in the nude, but did some magazine shoots along the way. But if you want to see the 1941 bit, just search YouTube for "1941 - Opening scene (1979)". The gag they put her in is delightfully phallic.

And probably the only time there was a non-human victim.
I had a little brainstorm about the shark's super-Carcharodontic nature...perhaps it was a creature of the id. Whose id, you ask? Brody's. It was a manifestation of his fear of the water. He had to slay it in order to overcome that fear. Alas, Brody getting his head straight cost five people and one loyal canine their lives.

Interesting. Did he make it into the sequels?
Doesn't look like it.

How about "Fabled Fugitive Finale, f-endi." :D
I was thinking more like "Fabulously Famous Fugitive Finale," but something stronger / less redundant.

Something else we'll never know.
From the tidbits I read, we should be learning more, however piecemeal.

Revisiting an old bit of business that I never got back to; I caught all five episodes of The Big Valley that Richard Anderson appeared in. It turns out that Lee Majors was completely absent from two of them, and didn't share any scenes with him in a third. The only two in which they shared the screen were 1x30, "Last Train to the Fair," and 3x20, "Fall of a Hero". Here are a few grabs from "Last Train to the Fair," which may be their first work onscreen together. Anderson plays a doctor who's on the run from some dissatisfied customers, but gets anchored down helping Audra through a bout of something or another.

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( ^ Their first shot together, however poorly framed.)
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4x18, "Alias Nellie Handley," in which Victoria goes undercover in a prison, had a noteworthy guest cast: Anderson as the corrupt warden; Gavin MacLeod as his cruel chief guard; and Susan Oliver as Victoria's cellmate.
 
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From what I read, she was primarily a stuntwoman who was comfortable working in the nude, but did some magazine shoots along the way.
I recall my friend coming up with a Penthouse or something where they dug up some old pictures to capitalize on the movie.

But if you want to see the 1941 bit, just search YouTube for "1941 - Opening scene (1979)". The gag they put her in is delightfully phallic.
I found it after I posted. It's cute. :rommie:

the shark's super-Carcharodontic nature...
Nice. :D

perhaps it was a creature of the id. Whose id, you ask? Brody's. It was a manifestation of his fear of the water. He had to slay it in order to overcome that fear. Alas, Brody getting his head straight cost five people and one loyal canine their lives.
Well, at least he's not as bad as Dr Morbius.

I was thinking more like "Fabulously Famous Fugitive Finale," but something stronger / less redundant.
Fabulous Furry Fugitive Finale? Forbush-Man's Favorite Fugitive Finale? Furshlugginer Fugitive Finale? Phantasmagorical First Fugitive Finale? Fuzzy-Wuzzy Fugitive Finale? :rommie:

From the tidbits I read, we should be learning more, however piecemeal.
Interesting....

Revisiting an old bit of business that I never got back to; I caught all five episodes of The Big Valley that Richard Anderson appeared in.
A Richard Anderson binge. He'd be pleased.

4x18, "Alias Nellie Handley," in which Victoria goes undercover in a prison, had a noteworthy guest cast: Anderson as the corrupt warden; Gavin MacLeod as his cruel chief guard; and Susan Oliver as Victoria's cellmate.
Good cast, and a strange plot. Not that I ever saw the show, but it doesn't seem like the kind of story they do. Sounds more like Police Woman or Charlie's Angels.
 
I read where NBC also did a TV airing of Jaws 50 on Friday night, with the Spielberg intro. It got remarkably high viewership for something widely available on home video in the streaming age.

I found it after I posted. It's cute. :rommie:
Did you catch the whole scene? And did you notice Christopher Lee?

Needless to say, I had to look into that. Gotta give the AI the credit. I was just looking for the shark equivalent of "superhuman".

Fabulous Furry Fugitive Finale? Forbush-Man's Favorite Fugitive Finale? Furshlugginer Fugitive Finale? Phantasmagorical First Fugitive Finale? Fuzzy-Wuzzy Fugitive Finale? :rommie:
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Good cast, and a strange plot. Not that I ever saw the show, but it doesn't seem like the kind of story they do. Sounds more like Police Woman or Charlie's Angels.
They had a story motivation for the character going out of her element like that, but one thing I've picked up from my limited exposure to TBV is that Barbara's Stanwyck's the Big Damn Dramatic Lead, and Don't You Forget It!
 
I read where NBC also did a TV airing of Jaws 50 on Friday night, with the Spielberg intro. It got remarkably high viewership for something widely available on home video in the streaming age.
Everybody who doesn't have streaming yet probably tuned in. :rommie:

Did you catch the whole scene? And did you notice Christopher Lee?
Yes, it was the entire opening sequence up to some restaurant slapstick. I either forgot or didn't know that Lee was in it. Now I kind of want to see it.

Needless to say, I had to look into that. Gotta give the AI the credit. I was just looking for the shark equivalent of "superhuman".
I looked it up too. I wasn't familiar with it offhand. :rommie:

:rommie:

They had a story motivation for the character going out of her element like that, but one thing I've picked up from my limited exposure to TBV is that Barbara's Stanwyck's the Big Damn Dramatic Lead, and Don't You Forget It!
Well, she was a legend from the Pre-Code Era (before they even started calling it the Pre-Code Era). She did some pretty amazing stuff when she was a young woman.
 
50 Years Ago This Week


June 29
  • The ship Greenpeace V, operated by the environmentalist Canadian group Greenpeace Foundation, made the first of many confrontations with whalers to save the world's whales from being hunted to extinction. Paul Watson and several other members of the crew conducted the first "hunt sabotage" against the Soviet whaling ship Dalniy Vostok, steering rafts between the ships and the whales in an effort to prevent the firing of harpoons. In that first meeting, the Soviets fired their harpoons anyway, without injury to the Greenpeace members.
  • On the night of June 29-30, 20-year-old Donald Watt Cressey of Bellevue, Washington, the senior cook at Old Faithful Lodge in Yellowstone National Park, attended a "hot potting" (hot-spring swimming) party on Nez Perce Creek along with 10 to 20 other people. Cressey died after somehow entering a 179 °F (82 °C)-hot spring fully clothed. Because the rest of the group drove home without noticing Cressey's absence, park rangers would suspect foul play, and the FBI would investigate.

June 30
  • Women could no longer be involuntarily discharged from the United States Armed Forces as a result of pregnancy, by orders of the U.S. Secretary of Defense.
  • American advice columnist Ann Landers (Esther Friedman Lederer), known for years for her suggestions to save unhappy marriages, announced in her column that she and her husband of 36 years were going to divorce.

July 1
  • ARPANET, predecessor to the Internet, was declared fully operational and under the control of the Defense Communications Agency, part of the U.S. Department of Defense.
  • Former U.S. President Richard Nixon said in an affidavit to federal court that he had secretly begun taping Oval Office conversations at the suggestion of his predecessor, President Lyndon Johnson, who had said that the tapes "had proved to be exceedingly valuable in preparing his memoirs, and he urged that I re-install the recording devices". The affidavit was filed as part of Nixon's suit seeking custody of his records, including the tape recordings, some of which had proved he had ordered a coverup of the Watergate investigation.
  • As the 1976 fiscal year began, New York City announced the firing of 37,000 city employees in order to save $1.2 billion from the city budget. Laid off were 5,000 police, 2,100 firefighters, 3,000 garbage collectors, 10,000 health workers and 17,000 people in education.

July 2
  • A young child fishing with his father discovered the body of Donald Watt Cressey. Only partial remains could be recovered. Cressey had died in the same hot spring in which Brian Parsons, also a Yellowstone park concessioner employee, had been fatally burned in July 1967. After Cressey's death the hot spring was named "Dead Savage Spring" by the U.S. Geological Survey, "savage" being Yellowstone jargon for a park concessioner employee.

July 3
  • Barriers against the hiring of gay and lesbian people as employees of the United States government were ended by order of the U.S. Civil Service Commission. Previously, employment could be denied to a homosexual person on grounds of "possible embarrassment to the federal service". The Commission ruled that, as with any other government employee, "there must be some rational connection between the individual's conduct and the efficiency of the service".

July 4
  • A bomb inside an abandoned refrigerator killed 13 people and injured 72 in Jerusalem's Zion Square in the worst terrorist attack on Israelis since the founding of the Jewish state in 1948. Most of the casualties were Jewish shoppers who were making their purchases on the eve of the Sabbath. Explosives had been placed inside of the refrigerator that had been set by terrorists in front of a toy store. A Palestinian guerilla group claimed responsibility.
  • Billie Jean King defeated Evonne Goolagong to win the Wimbledon women's singles championship. The 6-0, 6-1 win was the most one-sided women's final since 1951. King announced afterward that she was retiring from singles' tournaments to concentration on her professional league, World Team Tennis.

July 5
  • Arthur Ashe became the first black man to win the Wimbledon singles title, defeating the #1 ranked Jimmy Connors, 6-1, 6-1, 5-7 and 6-4.
  • Hawaii's Mauna Loa volcano erupted after 25 years of inactivity, toward the city of Hilo.


Selections from Billboard's Hot 100 for the week:
1. "Love Will Keep Us Together," Captain & Tenille
2. "The Hustle," Van McCoy & The Soul City Symphony
3. "Listen to What the Man Said," Wings
4. "Wildfire," Michael Murphey
5. "Love Won't Let Me Wait," Major Harris
6. "Magic," Pilot
7. "I'm Not Lisa," Jessi Colter
8. "When Will I Be Loved," Linda Ronstadt
9. "One of These Nights," Eagles
10. "Please Mr. Please," Olivia Newton-John
11. "I'm Not in Love," 10cc
12. "Swearin' to God," Frankie Valli
13. "Rockin' Chair," Gwen McCrae
14. "Only Women [Bleed]," Alice Cooper
15. "The Way We Were / Try to Remember," Gladys Knight & The Pips
16. "Misty," Ray Stevens
17. "Midnight Blue," Melissa Manchester
18. "Get Down, Get Down (Get on the Floor)," Joe Simon
19. "Dynomite, Pt. I," Tony Camillo's Bazuka
20. "Why Can't We Be Friends?," War
21. "Hey You," Bachman-Turner Overdrive
22. "Cut the Cake," Average White Band
23. "I'm on Fire," Dwight Twilley Band
24. "Rhinestone Cowboy," Glen Campbell
25. "Take Me in Your Arms (Rock Me a Little While)," The Doobie Brothers
26. "The Rockford Files," Mike Post
27. "Jive Talkin'," Bee Gees
28. "Sister Golden Hair," America
29. "I'll Play for You," Seals & Crofts
30. "Thank God I'm a Country Boy," John Denver
31. "Baby That's Backatcha," Smokey Robinson
32. "Slippery When Wet," Commodores
33. "Every Time You Touch Me (I Get High)," Charlie Rich
34. "Philadelphia Freedom," Elton John
35. "Bad Time," Grand Funk
36. "The Last Farewell," Roger Whittaker
37. "Bad Luck," Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes

39. "It's All Down to Goodnight Vienna," Ringo Starr

41. "Saturday Night Special," Lynyrd Skynyrd

43. "Fight the Power, Pt. 1," The Isley Brothers

45. "Old Days," Chicago

48. "Mornin' Beautiful," Tony Orlando & Dawn
49. "Just a Little Bit of You," Michael Jackson
50. "Sweet Emotion," Aerosmith
51. "Someone Saved My Life Tonight," Elton John
52. "I Don't Know Why," The Rolling Stones
53. "How Sweet It Is (To Be Loved by You)," James Taylor

55. "At Seventeen," Janis Ian
56. "Holdin' On to Yesterday," Ambrosia
57. "Wasted Days and Wasted Nights," Freddy Fender

62. "Could It Be Magic," Barry Manilow

65. "Send in the Clowns," Judy Collins
66. "Third Rate Romance," Amazing Rhythm Aces

69. "Fallin' in Love," Hamilton, Joe Frank & Reynolds
70. "The Ballroom Blitz," Sweet

72. "Feel Like Makin' Love," Bad Company

74. "Jackie Blue," The Ozark Mountain Daredevils

77. "That's the Way of the World," Earth, Wind & Fire
78. "Fame," David Bowie

81. "Feelings," Morris Albert

Leaving the chart:
  • "Attitude Dancing," Carly Simon (8 weeks)
  • "Shining Star," Earth, Wind & Fire (20 weeks)

Recent and new on the chart:

"I Don't Know Why," The Rolling Stones
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(June 14; #42 US; #54 UK)

"Wasted Days and Wasted Nights," Freddy Fender
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(June 21; #8 US; #9 AC; #1 Country)

"That's the Way of the World," Earth, Wind & Fire
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(#12 US; #5 R&B; #329 on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Songs of All Time [2004])

"Feel Like Makin' Love," Bad Company
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(#10 US; #20 UK)

"Someone Saved My Life Tonight," Elton John
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(#4 US; #36 AC; #22 UK)



Timeline entries are quoted from the Wiki page for the month, with minor editing as needed.



Yes, it was the entire opening sequence up to some restaurant slapstick. I either forgot or didn't know that Lee was in it. Now I kind of want to see it.
He's the German officer on the Japanese sub. There's a subtle gag going on in that scene where he and the Japanese commander are holding a conversation while each speaks his own language.

Well, she was a legend from the Pre-Code Era (before they even started calling it the Pre-Code Era). She did some pretty amazing stuff when she was a young woman.
Stuff that could only be done in the pre-Code era, or stuff that happened to have been done in the pre-Code era?

ETA: Looks like we lost Lalo Schifrin a couple of days ago, at 93.
 
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In that first meeting, the Soviets fired their harpoons anyway, without injury to the Greenpeace members.
I'm guessing they didn't expect that. :rommie:

Cressey died after somehow entering a 179 °F (82 °C)-hot spring fully clothed.
That's a pretty horrible way to die. The same thing just happened to a bison, which some unlucky tourists got to witness.

American advice columnist Ann Landers (Esther Friedman Lederer), known for years for her suggestions to save unhappy marriages, announced in her column that she and her husband of 36 years were going to divorce.
A cautionary tale about self-appointed experts. :rommie:

ARPANET, predecessor to the Internet, was declared fully operational and under the control of the Defense Communications Agency, part of the U.S. Department of Defense.
Six hours later, Henry Kissinger was permabanned for trolling.

Former U.S. President Richard Nixon said in an affidavit to federal court that he had secretly begun taping Oval Office conversations at the suggestion of his predecessor, President Lyndon Johnson
Oh, give it up, Dick. :rommie:

A young child fishing with his father discovered the body of Donald Watt Cressey.
Way to get scarred for life.

Billie Jean King defeated Evonne Goolagong
I forgot about Evonne Goolagong. Cool name. :rommie:

"I Don't Know Why," The Rolling Stones
Not bad, but not their most memorable. No nostalgic value.

"Wasted Days and Wasted Nights," Freddy Fender
Sounds like the 50s. :rommie: It does have some 70s nostalgic value, though.

"That's the Way of the World," Earth, Wind & Fire
Good one, although I don't know about it being one of the greatest songs of all time. Moderate nostalgic value.

"Feel Like Makin' Love," Bad Company
Ah, now there's some Classic Rock. Strong nostalgic value.

"Someone Saved My Life Tonight," Elton John
And some Classic Elton. Strong nostalgic value.

He's the German officer on the Japanese sub. There's a subtle gag going on in that scene where he and the Japanese commander are holding a conversation while each speaks his own language.
I noticed the language bit, but I did not catch that it was Lee at all.

Stuff that could only be done in the pre-Code era, or stuff that happened to have been done in the pre-Code era?
Stuff that could only be done in the Pre-Code Era. Not exactly exploitation stuff, but more like "adult themes." Although she did do a Women-in-Prison movie and another one where she manipulated men with sex to get ahead in business. :rommie:

ETA: Looks like we lost Lalo Schifrin a couple of days ago, at 93.
RIP, Lalo Schifrin. Talk about classic TV themes.
 
That's a pretty horrible way to die. The same thing just happened to a bison, which some unlucky tourists got to witness.
:crazy:

Six hours later, Henry Kissinger was permabanned for trolling.
:D

I forgot about Evonne Goolagong. Cool name. :rommie:
Did she modify "Get It On" to use as a theme song?

Not bad, but not their most memorable. No nostalgic value.
It has some nostalgia factor at this point just for when it was recorded--'69, during the Let It Bleed sessions. This was released as part of a rarities compilation album by Allen Klein's company ABKCO, which controlled the Stones' catalog through '71. And it's a cover of a Stevie Wonder song (originally released as the A-side of "My Cherie Amour").

Sounds like the 50s. :rommie: It does have some 70s nostalgic value, though.
This is more listenable than the previous one for the '50s sound; it was actually an old song of his that he'd written in '59.

Good one, although I don't know about it being one of the greatest songs of all time. Moderate nostalgic value.
It's got a very nice, smooth sound and vibe, standing out from the pack.

Ah, now there's some Classic Rock. Strong nostalgic value.
If "That's the Way of the World" is filet mignon, this is a McDonald's cheeseburger.

And some Classic Elton. Strong nostalgic value.
Not a favorite, but it is peak-era Elton.

I noticed the language bit, but I did not catch that it was Lee at all.
I didn't think it was actually him at first, but looked it up.

Stuff that could only be done in the Pre-Code Era. Not exactly exploitation stuff, but more like "adult themes." Although she did do a Women-in-Prison movie
There ya go...she was just redoing the old hits.

RIP, Lalo Schifrin. Talk about classic TV themes.
He did a bunch of other stuff, but the "M:I" theme was the thing that made the headlines of all the write-ups.
 
From what I read, she was primarily a stuntwoman who was comfortable working in the nude, but did some magazine shoots along the way. But if you want to see the 1941 bit, just search YouTube for "1941 - Opening scene (1979)". The gag they put her in is delightfully phallic.


I had a little brainstorm about the shark's super-Carcharodontic nature...perhaps it was a creature of the id. Whose id, you ask? Brody's. It was a manifestation of his fear of the water. He had to slay it in order to overcome that fear. Alas, Brody getting his head straight cost five people and one loyal canine their lives.


Doesn't look like it.


I was thinking more like "Fabulously Famous Fugitive Finale," but something stronger / less redundant.


From the tidbits I read, we should be learning more, however piecemeal.

Revisiting an old bit of business that I never got back to; I caught all five episodes of The Big Valley that Richard Anderson appeared in. It turns out that Lee Majors was completely absent from two of them, and didn't share any scenes with him in a third. The only two in which they shared the screen were 1x30, "Last Train to the Fair," and 3x20, "Fall of a Hero". Here are a few grabs from "Last Train to the Fair," which may be their first work onscreen together. Anderson plays a doctor who's on the run from some dissatisfied customers, but gets anchored down helping Audra through a bout of something or another.

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( ^ Their first shot together, however poorly framed.)
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4x18, "Alias Nellie Handley," in which Victoria goes undercover in a prison, had a noteworthy guest cast: Anderson as the corrupt warden; Gavin MacLeod as his cruel chief guard; and Susan Oliver as Victoria's cellmate.
Is he planning to rebuild her with steam driven parts?
 
Did she modify "Get It On" to use as a theme song?
No, but my brain is now doing so. :rommie:

And it's a cover of a Stevie Wonder song (originally released as the A-side of "My Cherie Amour").
That's interesting, because "My Cherie Amour" is far better.

This is more listenable than the previous one for the '50s sound; it was actually an old song of his that he'd written in '59.
Yeah, I thought it was a re-release. I didn't realize he was covering himself.

If "That's the Way of the World" is filet mignon, this is a McDonald's cheeseburger.
I think you're talking about the Earth, Wind, and Fire song, but I meant Bad Company. How do you like that one?

Not a favorite, but it is peak-era Elton.
There's certainly a bunch I like better, but this is a good one.

There ya go...she was just redoing the old hits.
Yeah, could be. It would be interesting to compare the show's plots to her old movies.

He did a bunch of other stuff, but the "M:I" theme was the thing that made the headlines of all the write-ups.
I just looked over his Wiki page. I didn't realize he did Man From UNCLE and Starsky & Hutch.

Is he planning to rebuild her with steam driven parts?
Hmm. The Six-Million Silver Dollar Woman. The Clockwork Lady. The Gearbox Girl. That would have been a cool Wild Wild West crossover. I wonder how the timelines line up. :rommie:
 


Post-58th Anniversary Viewing



The Time Tunnel
"End of the World"
Originally aired September 23, 1966
Edited Frndly/IMDb said:
In a 1910 mining town, Tony and Doug try to rescue 200 miners trapped by a cave-in. Nobody wants to help, believing that the world will end in a couple of hours when Halley's Comet crashes into the Earth.

May 21, 1910: Doug and Tony land in different parts of the Emperor Mine as it's being evacuated for a collapse that's trapped 200 people. Doug confirms that Tony's trapped but is able to get out himself, so he goes to the mine supervisor, Henderson (Paul Fix), only to find him despondently unconcerned with rescuing his men because of a massive fireball in the sky that looks absolutely nothing like Halley's Comet. Back at Tic-Toc, Ann gets a fix on Doug as he's going back to dig Tony out himself. After he succeeds, the two of them confront Henderson to learn that he believes the world's about to end...news that broke so recently that the men trapped in the shaft, led by Blaine (Paul Carr), whom Tony takes a call from, don't know about it. The guys try to tell Henderson that the comet's going to miss Earth. (IMDb informs me that it missed Earth by 14 million miles, so not exactly the close call that's being portrayed here. Yeah, I don't think we need to fret over the effects of time travel on Doug and Tony's digestive systems....)

In 1968, by which point people really should know better than all of this, Kirk becomes concerned that the comet they're fixed on might affect the complex. In 1910, Henderson shows the guys a newspaper headline about local astronomy professor Ainsley having predicted that the comet will hit Earth. Doug decides to go confront Ainsley, hoping that TT will be monitoring and send him modern instruments to convince the professor. Tony tries knocking on doors to round up some help for the miners, but after turning up nobody, goes to the local sheriff (James Westerfield), who's also a doomsday believer and tells him how panic over the prediction has spread across the state.

Doug finds himself hitting a wall with Ainsley (Gregory Morton), but gets to work on equations that he hopes will support his argument. While the TT crew are planning to send him a radarscope to help, a technician named Jerry (Sam Groom) theorizes that their probes could interact with the magnetic field of the comet in a dangerous manner. Tony finds a mob of people holding torches while watching the comet, none of whom care to help; but the sheriff volunteers, and the two of them find Henderson already in the mine, having decided to keep himself busy while he waits for the end...but he causes a new cave-in that falls squarely on top of him.

What exactly are the torches for? They wouldn't help them to see the comet, but if it's bright enough to be seen through all that light pollution, they wouldn't need the torches to see anything. I guess the torches are just their "ignorant villagers" badges. Or maybe the villagers were on their way to engage in some looting and pillaging, which is what the TT crew watch happening far and wide. When they try to send the radarscope, it combusts. Jerry later finds that the comet is having a strange effect on the TT controls. Back in 1910, Doug only manages to prove Ainsley's calculations that they're inside 2-1/2 hours of impact, but postulates that there could be a dark mass in space that will draw the comet away from Earth. In the mine, while Blaine tries to convince his men not to give up--assuming that crews are working to get them out--the sheriff works to free Tony from the rubble that he's pinned under.

Ainsley just happens to be in possession of one of the handful of those newfangled radiometers in existence, so they wire it to the telescope, via which Doug soon finds a section of sky containing no reflective object that nevertheless generates intense radiant energy. This completely changes the equation, so, the phone lines being unmanned, they go find the torch mob, to whom Ainsley retracts his prediction. But being short of a paid spokesman, they're silently doubtful until the scientists successfully predict when the fiery comet's tail will vanish to the second.

At TT, the magnetic attraction through the tunnel from locking in on the comet causes the instruments to go wild, and eventually overload. As the complex is being evacuated, the tunnel starts sucking the air out of the control room, and Jerry into it. They manage to shut down the tunnel and pull him away, but his heart stops from electrical shock. Lacking immediately available resuscitation equipment, Ann rigs some wires from the console to give Jerry's heart a jump-start. In the aftermath, Dr. Swain questions the future of the project given the extreme danger of the forces they're dealing with, against Ann's objections, while Kirk plays the voice of reason and talks him down.
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In 1910, a desperate Blaine puts in another call, and Tony, unable to offer a rescue ETA, is about to reluctantly break the bad news to him when Doug rushes in to announce the arrival of the torch mob, who can be heard murmuring outside. Doug and Tony then disappear before the sheriff's eyes.

I read that some scenes from a longer pilot version of the premiere were repurposed for other episodes, and I strongly suspect that our next bit of business is one of them, especially as it takes place on the same exterior location as was used in the premiere. Tony and Doug are separated, with Tony appearing in the desert outside the complex to be confronted by guards who don't know him, including a younger-looking Jiggs. The 1968 TT crew, monitoring from a now fully manned and running control room, determine that Tony's ten years in the past, which is three years before he started at Tic-Toc. Although Tony realizes that he's in the wrong time, when a more youthfully bowtie-sporting Doug drives by, apparently leaving the complex, Tony becomes dramatically desperate for Doug to confirm who he is, running after his car as he drives off. The TT crew pull Tony out before the guards can fire on him.

Exterior hygiene resetting is confirmed, as 1910 Tony was sooty enough to sing "Chim Chim Cher-ee".

Not only did this episode feature two actors who appeared in the same episode of Trek, but it originally aired the very next night!



The Invaders
"The Mutation"
Originally aired January 24, 1967
IMDb said:
In a border town, David Vincent meets a stripper who claims to have seen something strange in the desert.

David is driven into the desert by a pair of locals (Roberto Contreras and Pepe Callahan) who claim to have seen strange lights, but begins to suspect a con. When they get out, he's TV Fu'ed, robbed of his valuables, and left to die. As David stumbles under the blazing sun, he comes upon a wavy-pictured view of one of their craft, grounded as uniformed thems work outside.

The QM Narrator said:
Three weeks since the report of a crash and strange, glowing lights had brought reporters, the Air Force, and David Vincent to the border town of Rosario. Betrayed by his own kind and left to die under a blazing sun, he retains a vision of a ship launched by another kind, under another sun. Now, the Air Force and reporters have gone. David Vincent remains to begin the search again.

After we return from the post-credits break, we see David checking out of a clinic in town, and learn that a UFO-jaded Air Force Intelligence officer named Fellows (Lin McCarthy) has been assigned to stay behind until Vincent leaves; while the local sheriff, Cobbs (William Stevens), is eager for David to be on his way since his Jeep was recovered and the thieves caught. A pair of young locals try to run David down in the street, but he evades them with the help of a push from a man named Evans (Edward Andrews), who says that he's a reporter and has a contact who claims to have seen the same saucer that David did. Evans takes David to the club where the contact, Vikki (Tonight's Special Guest Star--wait'll the Chicago school board learns about this!), works as a striptease artist. She reluctantly goes back over what she saw while downplaying the incident, including that the craft couldn't take off, which jibes with David's perception that the saucer he saw was under repair; and agrees to take David to the site for money that Evans puts up. But we see Evans make a rendezvous with Vikki in her dressing room afterward, where he uses the apparently multipurpose hand-disc device to report to them (Roy Jenson in this case) how he plans to deliver Vincent.

After David and Vikki depart for the desert, Fellows, who's been watching developments from afar, questions Evans about what Vincent's up to. At a stop for eats, David helps the young son (Tony Davis) of the proprietor (Tina Menard) when the boy accidentally catches fire. As David's treating his own burns, he angrily questions Vikki about how she just sat and watched. The aliens monitor as David's Jeep approaches, but when they stop, Vikki, having had a change of heart, tries to turn David away. He continues far enough to see the ship before the aliens disintegrate his vehicle. David and Vikki flee into Vasquez Rocks while the aliens pursue on foot. Vikki, no longer pretending not to be one of them, explains that she's like her late, rebellious father in being different from the others--capable of feeling compassion. One of the invaders finds them and gets into a brawl on the rocks, which ends when the alien takes a fall and disintegrates in a red glow--the first time David witnesses what happens to them when they die on Earth, as he's told by Vikki.

Fellows, who's been ordered to return to Washington, questions Vikki's manager (Val Avery) to learn that her background credentials didn't check out. Elsewhere, David and Vikki take shelter at the ranch house of Miguel (Rodolfo Hoyos) and his wife Luz (Argentina Brunetti). As David's about to leave in a borrowed truck to find Fellows, she tells him that she's come to enjoy caring for him, though she still won't betray her people by letting herself be taken into custody. After he leaves, she uses her own disc to tell them where he's headed--the nearest town with a phone, from which he calls Fellows. Evans is eavesdropping on another line as David outs him.

An invader party seizes the ranch house, tucks the owners away, and waits for David to return, while Vikki unsuccessfully argues that they not kill him for the reasons already outlined in the premiere. When David arrives, she runs out to warn him, only to be shot in the back by the alien leader with a ray gun, which results in her disintegration. David then has a shoot-out with all three aliens, taking each out in turn with a rifle, each disintegrating after he falls. Just as the battle has ended, David sees the saucer lifting off in the distance.

By the time Fellows arrives in the Epilog, David has nothing to show him--no saucer and no aliens. The couple who own the ranch give David a little credibility by testifying how he helped them against strange men who forced their way into the house. David assures Fellows that he won't find Evans back in town, and Fellows expresses increasing uncertainty about David's situation.

The QM Narrator said:
For a moment, in the desert south of Rosario, a man and woman came together across a void of space and time. Two people, star-crossed from alien worlds. In the months to come, David Vincent will remember that moment.



Is he planning to rebuild her with steam driven parts?
Which one, Audra or Victoria?

No, but my brain is now doing so. :rommie:
:evil:

I think you're talking about the Earth, Wind, and Fire song, but I meant Bad Company. How do you like that one?
I was comparing the two qualitatively--if the EWF song is filet mignon, the BC song is a fast-food cheeseburger.

The Six-Million Silver Dollar Woman.
Whipping out the inflation calculator, more like The One Million Silver Dollar Woman, if we're rounding down from 1.19.

That would have been a cool Wild Wild West crossover. I wonder how the timelines line up. :rommie:
TBV is reportedly a bit later than the Grant era of WWW, between 1884 and 1888.
 
he goes to the mine supervisor, Henderson (Paul Fix), only to find him despondently unconcerned with rescuing his men because of a massive fireball in the sky that looks absolutely nothing like Halley's Comet.
"Don't bother me-- Mark Twain is dead and the world is coming to an end."

Blaine (Paul Carr)
Ah, Kelso. I only realized that after you mentioned another Trek guy and I looked back. :rommie:

IMDb informs me that it missed Earth by 14 million miles, so not exactly the close call that's being portrayed here.
Yeah, that would be about fifty times the distance of the Moon. There are asteroids that come closer than the Moon. I think there was a pretty big one that came close to geosynchronous orbit, but I'd have to double check.

Yeah, I don't think we need to fret over the effects of time travel on Doug and Tony's digestive systems....
Not even if I want to? :rommie:

In 1968, by which point people really should know better than all of this, Kirk becomes concerned that the comet they're fixed on might affect the complex.
Okay, that's weird.

Doug decides to go confront Ainsley, hoping that TT will be monitoring and send him modern instruments to convince the professor.
What?!?

Tony tries knocking on doors to round up some help for the miners
Has TT checked on what happens to the miners?

While the TT crew are planning to send him a radarscope to help
These guys are really dedicated to disrupting the timeline. :rommie:

the two of them find Henderson already in the mine, having decided to keep himself busy while he waits for the end...but he causes a new cave-in that falls squarely on top of him.
Irwin Allen shows. Stuff just happens.

I guess the torches are just their "ignorant villagers" badges.
"Hey, villagers! The Frankenstein Monster is trapped in the mine! You better dig him out and kill him!" Psychology.
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When they try to send the radarscope, it combusts.
Interesting. I wonder why. Aren't Doug and Tony wearing watches?

Jerry later finds that the comet is having a strange effect on the TT controls.
Halley's Comet has magical, mystical properties!

Back in 1910, Doug only manages to prove Ainsley's calculations that they're inside 2-1/2 hours of impact
That's a cute twist.

but postulates that there could be a dark mass in space that will draw the comet away from Earth.
Doug discovers Dark Matter!

the sheriff works to free Tony from the rubble that he's pinned under.
Tony is back under the rubble. Okay. :rommie:

Doug soon finds a section of sky containing no reflective object that nevertheless generates intense radiant energy.
That sounds more dangerous than the comet.

the scientists successfully predict when the fiery comet's tail will vanish to the second
Good trick, since that didn't happen.

At TT, the magnetic attraction through the tunnel from locking in on the comet causes the instruments to go wild, and eventually overload. As the complex is being evacuated, the tunnel starts sucking the air out of the control room, and Jerry into it. They manage to shut down the tunnel and pull him away, but his heart stops from electrical shock.
Well, that's pretty exciting!

Lacking immediately available resuscitation equipment, Ann rigs some wires from the console to give Jerry's heart a jump-start.
You go, Ann!

In the aftermath, Dr. Swain questions the future of the project given the extreme danger of the forces they're dealing with, against Ann's objections, while Kirk plays the voice of reason and talks him down.
"Just go tell NASA about that invisible object that gives off radiant energy. They might want to know about that."

Well, she had a pretty good part in this episode, anyway.

Doug rushes in to announce the arrival of the torch mob, who can be heard murmuring outside.
"...grumble grumble... sinners, repent... grumble grumble...."

Doug and Tony then disappear before the sheriff's eyes.
Seems like that would make it into a few fringe folklore books. :rommie:

I read that some scenes from a longer pilot version of the premiere were repurposed for other episodes, and I strongly suspect that our next bit of business is one of them, especially as it takes place on the same exterior location as was used in the premiere. Tony and Doug are separated, with Tony appearing in the desert outside the complex to be confronted by guards who don't know him, including a younger-looking Jiggs. The 1968 TT crew, monitoring from a now fully manned and running control room, determine that Tony's ten years in the past, which is three years before he started at Tic-Toc.
This idea of Doug and Tony being separated seems weird. Is that an idea that they dropped? I always remember them being together.

Although Tony realizes that he's in the wrong time, when a more youthfully bowtie-sporting Doug drives by, apparently leaving the complex, Tony becomes dramatically desperate for Doug to confirm who he is, running after his car as he drives off.
I hate it when characters become stupid like that. You'd think the actor would object.

Exterior hygiene resetting is confirmed, as 1910 Tony was sooty enough to sing "Chim Chim Cher-ee".
Aha, there we go. We can continue to speculate about their intestines. In fact, maybe their entire bodies reset and they don't have to eat at all while time traveling. I wonder what would happen if one of them got shot or otherwise injured just before a leap.

a UFO-jaded Air Force Intelligence officer named Fellows (Lin McCarthy) has been assigned to stay behind until Vincent leaves
So... the Air Force is watching him?

A pair of young locals try to run David down in the street
Kind of a rough town. :rommie:

he evades them with the help of a push from a man named Evans (Edward Andrews)
Ah, that guy. Great character actor. He played the menacing government guy in "Third From The Sun" on Twilight Zone. For years, I could never remember his name.

Evans takes David to the club where the contact, Vikki (Tonight's Special Guest Star--wait'll the Chicago school board learns about this!), works as a striptease artist.
Oh, my. I'll have to keep an eye peeled for this one. No pun intended.

She reluctantly goes back over what she saw
Now, if she's one of them and still has some loyalty, why is she even talking about it?

But we see Evans make a rendezvous with Vikki in her dressing room
They're everywhere!

he uses the apparently multipurpose hand-disc device to report to them
It's an alien sonic screwdriver.

the boy accidentally catches fire
These kids today.

Vikki, no longer pretending not to be one of them
"You should have been paying attention to my pinkies instead of my everything else."

explains that she's like her late, rebellious father in being different from the others--capable of feeling compassion.
So then what are her and her late, rebellious father doing on Earth?

the alien takes a fall and disintegrates in a red glow--the first time David witnesses what happens to them when they die on Earth, as he's told by Vikki.
Is there any explanation as to why this happens, aside from, y'know, aliens are alien?

Fellows, who's been ordered to return to Washington, questions Vikki's manager (Val Avery) to learn that her background credentials didn't check out.
"We just didn't care. Would you?"

An invader party seizes the ranch house, tucks the owners away
But decides not to kill them, despite their generally genocidal ways.

Vikki unsuccessfully argues that they not kill him for the reasons already outlined in the premiere
Well, the Air Force seems to be keeping an eye on him.

she runs out to warn him, only to be shot in the back by the alien leader with a ray gun, which results in her disintegration.
Nooo!

David then has a shoot-out with all three aliens, taking each out in turn with a rifle
Throughout the known universe, humans have the best aim.

David assures Fellows that he won't find Evans back in town, and Fellows expresses increasing uncertainty about David's situation.
I don't suppose Fellows ever returns either.

:rommie:

I was comparing the two qualitatively--if the EWF song is filet mignon, the BC song is a fast-food cheeseburger.
Oh, I see. I actually think the BC song is really good. Poetic lyrics, nice changes in tempo or whatever it is, emotional delivery.

Whipping out the inflation calculator, more like The One Million Silver Dollar Woman, if we're rounding down from 1.19.
Well, I was allowing for R&D and lack of infrastructure. Sure I was. :rommie:

TBV is reportedly a bit later than the Grant era of WWW, between 1884 and 1888.
That should work. The boys could still be around then and still doing their thing.
 
Ah, Kelso. I only realized that after you mentioned another Trek guy and I looked back. :rommie:
It became a running gag in the Trek Guest Actors thread how his characters have a tendency to die.

Not even if I want to? :rommie:
There's not stopping you.

Okay, that's weird.
It kind of made sense, in the context of how the comet was portrayed. They were effectively opening the tunnel to it.

Has TT checked on what happens to the miners?
Nope; they were obsessing over the comet.

"Hey, villagers! The Frankenstein Monster is trapped in the mine! You better dig him out and kill him!" Psychology.
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:lol:

Interesting. I wonder why. Aren't Doug and Tony wearing watches?
Good question--I haven't noticed. It's noteworthy that Doug entered the tunnel dressed for 1912, so if they have timepieces, his might be a pocketwatch.

Not that there appears to be a general inability to send objects back through time. I think that in this case, it was the comet interference.

Doug discovers Dark Matter!
That sounds more dangerous than the comet.
"Just go tell NASA about that invisible object that gives off radiant energy. They might want to know about that."
The episode never spelled it out, but it was my strong impression that the unseen force that ultimately pulled the comet away from Earth was the gravitational tug of war with the Time Tunnel. Thus it was a predestination paradox in which Tic-Toc's involvement was always what prevented this version of the comet from hitting Earth.

Good trick, since that didn't happen.
Everything You Know Is Wrong.
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"...grumble grumble... sinners, repent... grumble grumble...."
:D

This idea of Doug and Tony being separated seems weird. Is that an idea that they dropped? I always remember them being together.
If it was originally from the pilot, then it was trial and error while they were setting up the premise.

I hate it when characters become stupid like that. You'd think the actor would object.
"Look, pally, a fella's gotta make his dough."

Aha, there we go. We can continue to speculate about their intestines.
I'd still maintain that internal bodily business would be a different ball game from external dirtiness.

Now what would happen if their clothes got torn up...?

In fact, maybe their entire bodies reset and they don't have to eat at all while time traveling. I wonder what would happen if one of them got shot or otherwise injured just before a leap.
I doubt that the reset will ever serve as healing, but we'll see.

So... the Air Force is watching him?
Apparently...taking an interest in what he claims to be onto.

Kind of a rough town. :rommie:
The attempted hit and run was supposed to have been an alien set-up for Evans.

Ah, that guy. Great character actor. He played the menacing government guy in "Third From The Sun" on Twilight Zone. For years, I could never remember his name.
And somebody you'd know was one of them as soon as you saw him in the credits.

Now, if she's one of them and still has some loyalty, why is she even talking about it?
It was supposed to be a trap for David.

These kids today.
Kids bursting into flames...kind of an Irwin Allen moment.

So then what are her and her late, rebellious father doing on Earth?
He's not, he was killed for being a rebel. Apparently they determined that she was loyal...and she was until she fell for David.

Is there any explanation as to why this happens, aside from, y'know, aliens are alien?
Not yet. But watching The Invaders makes me realize what Marvel's Rom comic was riffing on. He was hunting shapeshifting aliens who'd infiltrated Earth, but appeared to be the monster because when he used a gun to send the Dire Wraiths into a limbo dimension, it appeared that he was disintegrating innocent people.

"We just didn't care. Would you?"
The manager had only just learned that she'd lied about her agency.

I guess invaders don't get dying words...until they decide to delay the death and disintegration for dramatic effect.

I don't suppose Fellows ever returns either.
Apparently not, but it looks like the actor will be returning to play a different character who appears twice.

Oh, I see. I actually think the BC song is really good. Poetic lyrics, nice changes in tempo or whatever it is, emotional delivery.
Kind of undistinguished mid-'70s rock to me. Bad Company, BTO, Grand Funk--am I supposed to know the difference?

One thing that has come to my attention about Bad Company is that while it may be a coincidence, they've displayed a knack for coming up with songs that have the same or very similar titles to other recent/current hits, specifically in the R&B/Soul genre.

"Can't Get Enough" / "Can't Get Enough of Your Love, Babe" by Barry White
"Feel Like Makin' Love" / the Roberta Flack song
Arguably "Shooting Star" / "Shining Star" by Earth, Wind & Fire

That should work. The boys could still be around then and still doing their thing.
The first WWW reunion movie takes place in 1885.
 
It became a running gag in the Trek Guest Actors thread how his characters have a tendency to die.
It's a living. :shrug:

There's not stopping you.
No, not even I can stop me. :rommie:

It kind of made sense, in the context of how the comet was portrayed. They were effectively opening the tunnel to it.
Wow, lucky Tony and Doug didn't get transported onto it. It would be funny if they landed on the comet and everything was like a black-and-white silent movie. :rommie:

Good question--I haven't noticed. It's noteworthy that Doug entered the tunnel dressed for 1912, so if they have timepieces, his might be a pocketwatch.
Good point.

Not that there appears to be a general inability to send objects back through time. I think that in this case, it was the comet interference.
Maybe it's just electronics. The pocketwatch would be a windup mechanism, so it should be okay.

The episode never spelled it out, but it was my strong impression that the unseen force that ultimately pulled the comet away from Earth was the gravitational tug of war with the Time Tunnel. Thus it was a predestination paradox in which Tic-Toc's involvement was always what prevented this version of the comet from hitting Earth.
That's very interesting. So they're essentially changing history, or have the potential to change history, just by opening the tunnel. Like the Observer Effect.

Everything You Know Is Wrong. View attachment 47449
That looks suspiciously like the comet that destroyed the planet that the Jupiter II was on. :rommie:

"Look, pally, a fella's gotta make his dough."
Good actors suffer for their art.

I'd still maintain that internal bodily business would be a different ball game from external dirtiness.
Wishful thinking. :rommie:

Now what would happen if their clothes got torn up...?
They'd probably have to spend the rest of their lives traversing the timeways naked. There's probably a way for the Time Tunnel to send new clothes to them, but Ann would withhold the information. :rommie:

I doubt that the reset will ever serve as healing, but we'll see.
So many possibilities to experiment with. Maybe they don't age as long as they travel through time.

And somebody you'd know was one of them as soon as you saw him in the credits.
True. He seemed to be one of them regardless of the show he was in. :rommie:

It was supposed to be a trap for David.
Oh, okay, I wondered why she was a stripper. I thought maybe she had gone native.

Kids bursting into flames...kind of an Irwin Allen moment.
True. :rommie:

He's not, he was killed for being a rebel. Apparently they determined that she was loyal...and she was until she fell for David.
Ah, I see.

Not yet. But watching The Invaders makes me realize what Marvel's Rom comic was riffing on. He was hunting shapeshifting aliens who'd infiltrated Earth, but appeared to be the monster because when he used a gun to send the Dire Wraiths into a limbo dimension, it appeared that he was disintegrating innocent people.
I remember that, actually, even though I never bought it. My friend liked it.

I guess invaders don't get dying words...until they decide to delay the death and disintegration for dramatic effect.
It just occurred to me that they probably have self-immolation devices implanted for the trip to Earth to prevent their bodies from being recovered by authorities-- which is a pretty grisly thought.

Kind of undistinguished mid-'70s rock to me. Bad Company, BTO, Grand Funk--am I supposed to know the difference?
Harsh. :rommie: I'm not sure I would know off the top of my head either, but they all did some good stuff.

One thing that has come to my attention about Bad Company is that while it may be a coincidence, they've displayed a knack for coming up with songs that have the same or very similar titles to other recent/current hits, specifically in the R&B/Soul genre.

"Can't Get Enough" / "Can't Get Enough of Your Love, Babe" by Barry White
"Feel Like Makin' Love" / the Roberta Flack song
Arguably "Shooting Star" / "Shining Star" by Earth, Wind & Fire
Hmm. That is odd.

The first WWW reunion movie takes place in 1885.
I forgot about that. And they had both quit the Service by then.
 
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