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The Classic/Retro Pop Culture Thread

Uganda's dictator, Idi Amin, postponed the execution of British citizen Denis Hills, a day before Hills was set to go before a firing squad for statements made in the unpublished manuscript of The White Pumpkin. Amin's decision came after he hosted two British envoys at his hometown of Arua. The envoys, bearing a written appeal from Queen Elizabeth II, had been Amin's commanding officers when Amin had been a sergeant in the King's African Rifles in the colonial British Army. Hills would be released by Amin on July 10.
Now there's a lucky guy.

The United States Supreme Court voted 8–0 to accept the resignation of former U.S. President Richard M. Nixon from practice before the court.
"Shall we forego debate?"

To the horror of rescuers, scores of residents of Rosedale descended on the scene to loot jewelry, money, and other valuables from the scattered luggage, and even from the victims' bodies.
Unbelievable.

Meteorologist Ted Fujita's research of the disaster led to his discovery of microbursts, sudden downdrafts of wind at high speed.
Something good came from it, I guess.

After getting permission to use the bathroom, Carlos came back out firing a gun and killed two of the officers
Oh, come on, guys!

"IT'S A COOKBOOK!"
"Time enough at last..."
"There's a man on the wing!"
"This
is the other place!"
"You'd better be nice to me."
"You're a bad man!"
Nice. :bolian:

Died: Rod Serling, 50, American television screenwriter best known as host of The Twilight Zone
I remember reading this in the paper, of course. Even then I was shocked at how young he was. Now it feels like he died in his childhood.

"It's All Down to Goodnight Vienna," Ringo Starr
It seems like I heard this just recently. :rommie:

"Saturday Night Special," Lynyrd Skynyrd
One of two or three really good songs they did. Strong nostalgic value.

"Could It Be Magic," Barry Manilow
One of his good ones. Moderate nostalgic value.

"Fame," David Bowie
He's pretty much in his peak period here. Strong nostalgic value.

The fuel depot was in 1978.
Oops. Lost track of my time period again.

To refuel rockets to Mars.
So... they would have gone there anyway? I thought they had to reroute.

Somebody pointed this out on IMDb...that the Tic-Toc crew should have questioned why Future Beard didn't seem to know who Tony and Doug were.
They lost track of their time periods too. :rommie:

But he got the meatier part you wanted.
That's true.

I think the idea of the advanced Mars program already being underway in the show's present would have worked better if they'd been at least a few more years in the future. Granted, prior to the Apollo 1 disaster, the Moon program might have been expected to have been further along in 1968.
Even the current time period of the show should have been farther in the future.

I was afraid from what I'd seen so far that might be the case. The Invaders is definitely the stronger show of the two.
Oh, yeah, absolutely.

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"This ain't no disco..."
That's what Sci Fi is supposed to look like. :rommie:

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I'm assuming that the latter is from the 1950 movie.
Yeah. It must have been encased in the third stage for its own protection. :rommie:

Bing-ed. The very idea that a future space mission would pick him up begged all sorts of questions, but Doug did think that Beard was deluding himself.
He was on a suicide mission and didn't know it.

It was like watching a tennis match....

Not necessarily their field of expertise.
Sure, but you can throw a bomb pretty far in that 1/6th Lunar gravity. :rommie:

I recall this being discussed in the Other Thread. I don't know if the show ever gives an explanation, but if I had to come up with one, I'd assume that only the clothes that were with them in the rad bath when they entered the Tunnel could be pulled out with them.
That's what I was thinking. So if they ever changed clothes, they'd always land at their next destination naked-- unless the clothes automatically got pulled through from wherever they were and got dumped on their heads. But this would also mean that anything they were carrying, or put in their pockets, would disappear. They wouldn't be able to accumulate any cash or weapons or anything.

It's basically a redress of The Fugitive.
Yeah, there's a few of those. It's a strong concept.

Not Elliott's father.
True. :rommie:

Actually, there was a crew putting it out.
My faith in TV adventure shows is restored.

There was clearly a mental block there. Remembering his role in his father's death was what triggered the violent headaches.
Oh, so he was fighting it. Okay.

I got screen grabs for him!
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Now if only Tic-Toc is still running...
Well, it's a time machine, so technically it's running from the Big Bang to the heat death of the universe. :rommie:

Council? Counsel? No, wait, there's a third spelling...!
:rommie:

Now that would've been pretty far out.
Yeah, actually, the more I think about it the more I like it.

Kate Winslet posing nude.
Ah, yes, I was aware of that too. Nicely composed.

They did. It was in all the promos.
Explaining my awareness of it. :rommie:

That's why you're not a grim '60s TV lead.
And I would have made such a great adventure hero. :(

Are you sure you won't try the coffee...?
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Well, I wouldn't want to hurt anybody's feelings. :rommie:

Assuming they're not characters from King of the Hill, which I used to catch sometimes in the '90s...
Did they mention them on King of the Hill? I never saw that one.

That's why they had David define the nature of his plot armor in the first episode.
I think I missed that, or I'm forgetting it....

They only had two that I bothered getting for my collection, and the second is years away; but we'll see as we go along.
I'm guessing it's not "Muskrat Love." :rommie:
 
I remember reading this in the paper, of course. Even then I was shocked at how young he was. Now it feels like he died in his childhood.
He'll soon have been dead as long as he was alive. He would've been 100 now.

It seems like I heard this just recently. :rommie:
Darren might've posted it early.

One of two or three really good songs they did. Strong nostalgic value.
Typical hard rock radio fare. Not one of their biggies.

One of his good ones. Moderate nostalgic value.
Moody, nice sound; but one of those songs I have trouble thinking of how it goes when I'm not listening to it.

He's pretty much in his peak period here. Strong nostalgic value.
And this would be the one with John on it (backing vocals and acoustic guitar, as well as co-writing credit with Bowie and guitarist Carlos Alomar).

So... they would have gone there anyway? I thought they had to reroute.
Guess it was there for when it was needed, like this occasion.

Even the current time period of the show should have been farther in the future.
That's what I meant. From a 1966 perspective, I can buy the idea of a Mars program being underway by 1978. But it was too much of a stretch for it to already be in its early stages in 1968. One small step / giant leap at a time--let's get to the Moon first, folks.

Yeah. It must have been encased in the third stage for its own protection. :rommie:
What kind of rocket is that? Would it have had a third stage? Anyway, they used the same control room and service module for the whole trip.

It was like watching a tennis match....
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That's what I was thinking. So if they ever changed clothes, they'd always land at their next destination naked-- unless the clothes automatically got pulled through from wherever they were and got dumped on their heads. But this would also mean that anything they were carrying, or put in their pockets, would disappear. They wouldn't be able to accumulate any cash or weapons or anything.
I'm pretty sure they do have some occasion to change costumes in future episodes, so the clothes always just magically get back on them.

Yeah, there's a few of those. It's a strong concept.
Yeah, but this was an intended replacement show by the same production company when the original was winding down.

Well, it's a time machine, so technically it's running from the Big Bang to the heat death of the universe. :rommie:
Yeah, but you'd have to go to the complex at a point in time when it existed and had people running it.

Yeah, actually, the more I think about it the more I like it.
You got me picturing Lee Meriwether in an SS uniform with a riding crop....

Well, I wouldn't want to hurt anybody's feelings. :rommie:
One of us! One of us!

Did they mention them on King of the Hill? I never saw that one.
Were they around then? I couldn't say. Hill was the surname of the family on the show.

I think I missed that, or I'm forgetting it....
When David speculated in the first episode that the aliens shot their wad with trying to off him directly when they burned down his apartment; that they wouldn't try again because it would draw too much attention and people would start to believe him.

I'm guessing it's not "Muskrat Love." :rommie:
No, their other chart-topper, from the tail end of the decade. Also their last Top 40 hit. I don't think that I actually remembered most of the hits in-between when I was populating my collection.
 
He'll soon have been dead as long as he was alive. He would've been 100 now.
True. I was just thinking that about JFK recently. Boggles the mind.

Darren might've posted it early.
I think so. I remember we were talking about the Day The Earth Stood Still album cover.

Typical hard rock radio fare. Not one of their biggies.
I was actually going to say that it has strong nostalgic value for both 1975 and the early 80s. It used to get a lot of play on BCN, along with "That Smell" and "Gimme Three Steps." Other stuff, too, but those are the ones I like.

Moody, nice sound; but one of those songs I have trouble thinking of how it goes when I'm not listening to it.
Well, that's Barry Manilow. He always reminds me of my old junior high school girlfriend, who loved him-- and she, I saw on Facebook, unexpectedly passed away within the past couple of months. That was kind of a gut punch.

Guess it was there for when it was needed, like this occasion.
I guess. They should have put it in orbit to avoid wasting all that fuel on the descent and ascent.

That's what I meant. From a 1966 perspective, I can buy the idea of a Mars program being underway by 1978. But it was too much of a stretch for it to already be in its early stages in 1968. One small step / giant leap at a time--let's get to the Moon first, folks.
Yeah, right. They should have pushed everything way far away into the 21st century. Instead of a Mars mission, it could have been the Jupiter III. :rommie:

What kind of rocket is that? Would it have had a third stage? Anyway, they used the same control room and service module for the whole trip.
I have no idea what kind of rocket was in the live footage. It was probably something old that did not have a third stage. :rommie:

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Someone on my forum just posted that ChatGPT was beaten at chess by an old Atari unit. I wonder how it would do at Pong. :rommie:

I'm pretty sure they do have some occasion to change costumes in future episodes, so the clothes always just magically get back on them.
That's definitely magical. Extrapolating on this concept, their hygiene must reset as well. And what about any food that they've eaten? And partially digested? Okay, I'm going to stop extrapolating.

Yeah, but this was an intended replacement show by the same production company when the original was winding down.
Ah, I didn't know that. I never even thought about them overlapping.

Yeah, but you'd have to go to the complex at a point in time when it existed and had people running it.
That is true.

You got me picturing Lee Meriwether in an SS uniform with a riding crop....
I see her in something similar to what Uhura was wearing in the Mirror Universe, only Navy blue. At first, she's wearing that crisp white lab coat over it, but all those sparks heat the place up so she has to take it off and throw it over the back of her chair. And then... but, no, I'll stop there. :rommie:

One of us! One of us!
Actually, there's been a couple of times when I drank coffee. When I was in grade school, I'd drink a cup of coffee with Uncle Joe as we watched The Three Stooges, because it felt all grown up. Then when I was at BMC, they had a Keurig in the kitchenette and I actually did like the Jamaican Blue.

Were they around then? I couldn't say. Hill was the surname of the family on the show.
Oh, I get it. :rommie: The Barney and Betty Hill thing goes back to 1960 or something, so they were definitely around.

When David speculated in the first episode that the aliens shot their wad with trying to off him directly when they burned down his apartment; that they wouldn't try again because it would draw too much attention and people would start to believe him.
Ah, right. It's strange how these aliens seem extraordinarily powerful and yet extraordinarily weak at the same time.

No, their other chart-topper, from the tail end of the decade. Also their last Top 40 hit. I don't think that I actually remembered most of the hits in-between when I was populating my collection.
Looking at their discography, they had fewer than I would have guessed. Maybe four that I really liked.
 


We're Gonna Need a Bigger 50th Anniversary Cinematic Special



Jaws
Directed by Steven Spielberg
Starring Roy Scheider, Robert Shaw, and Richard Dreyfuss
Released June 20, 1975
1976 Academy Awards for Best Sound; Best Film Editing; and Best Music, Original Dramatic Score (John Williams); nominee for Best Picture
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Jaws is a 1975 American thriller film directed by Steven Spielberg. Based on the 1974 novel by Peter Benchley, it stars Roy Scheider as police chief Martin Brody, who, with the help of a marine biologist (Richard Dreyfuss) and a professional shark hunter (Robert Shaw), hunts a man-eating great white shark that attacks beachgoers at a summer resort town. Murray Hamilton plays the mayor, and Lorraine Gary portrays Brody's wife. The screenplay is credited to Benchley, who wrote the first drafts, and actor-writer Carl Gottlieb, who rewrote the script during principal photography.

I definitely recall the presence of this film looming large at the time of its release, though I only got around to watching the whole thing relatively recently, probably during an early hiatus season from 50th Anniversary Viewing. The version currently featured on Peacock is labeled Jaws 50 and includes a relatively brief intro by Spielberg in which he emphasizes the troubled production of the film and his uncertainty at the time that it would be a success.

Shot mostly on location at Martha's Vineyard in Massachusetts from May to October 1974, Jaws was the first major motion picture to be shot on the ocean and consequently had a troubled production, going over budget and schedule. As the art department's mechanical sharks often malfunctioned, Spielberg decided to mostly suggest the shark's presence, employing an ominous and minimalist theme created by composer John Williams to indicate its impending appearances. Spielberg and others have compared this suggestive approach to that of director Alfred Hitchcock. Universal Pictures released the film to over 450 screens, an exceptionally wide release for a major studio picture at the time, accompanied by an extensive marketing campaign with heavy emphasis on television spots and tie-in merchandise.
I'm dubious of the claim about it being the first to be shot on the ocean, but I read it in multiple places, and being shot on the ocean, in a practical version of the Orca boat that was so overloaded with crew and equipment that it was barely seaworthy, did reportedly contribute to the difficulties.

In the New England beach town of Amity Island, a young woman [Chrissie Watkins (Susan Backlinie)] goes for a late-night ocean swim. An unseen force attacks and pulls her underwater.
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Apparently it was an all-night party, and the iconic first shark attack--shot day-for-night--was meant to happen close to sunup. Chrissie's not-so-valiant suitor is Cassidy (Jonathan Filley). To his credit, he reports her as having possibly drowned before...
Her partial remains are found washed up on the beach the next morning.
By Chief Brody's deputy, Hendricks (Jeffrey C. Kramer), who's disturbed by the mostly off-camera gore, which is being swarmed by crabs. Along the way we meet Brody's wife, Ellen (Gary), and his young sons, Michael (Chris Rebello) and Sean (Jay Mello). Brody's established to be overworked with sundry matters in his first summer at Amity after relocating there from New York. We also eventually learn that despite his current locale, he has a lifelong fear of the water.

After the coroner concludes it was a shark attack, Amity police chief Martin Brody closes the beaches; Mayor Larry Vaughn [Hamilton] persuades him to reconsider, fearing the town's summer economy will suffer. The coroner [Dr. Robert Nevin], apparently under pressure, now concurs with the mayor's theory that it was a boating accident.
Vaughn's accomplice/sidekick in the effort to downplay the issue for tourism's sake is Amity Gazette editor Harry Meadows (screenplay co-writer Carl Gottlieb).

Brody reluctantly accepts their conclusion until young Alex Kintner [Jeffrey Voorhees] is killed at a crowded beach.
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Mrs. Kintner is played by Lee Fierro. Note the implied offscreen devouring of Tippet, a black lab whose owner had been tossing a stick for him out into the water prior to where that clip begins. :(

A $3,000 bounty is placed on the shark, causing an amateur shark-hunting frenzy.
The bounty is placed by Mrs. Kintner, with the mayor and Meadows attempting to downplay/bury it.
Quint [Shaw], an eccentric local shark hunter, offers his services for $10,000.
Be sure to turn the volume up really loud for Quint's dramatic intro--earbuds are recommended!
The Head, the Tail, the Whole Damn Thing

A pair of amateur shark-hunters attempt to catch the beast by night with a roast tied to a tire connected to a dock with a chain. One of them has a close call swimming back after the end of the dock is ripped away. The town is flooded with more amateurs out for the bounty, largely from out of town, as Matt Hooper (Dreyfuss) arrives from the Oceanographic Institute at Brody's request.
Hooper examines the girl's remains, confirming she was killed by an unusually large shark.
Dreyfuss is quite good in this, delivering lots of funny bits of business. His character is established as being a rich kid who got into his field after a adolescent experience in which a baby thresher shark devoured his fishing boat.

I actually don't like Richard Dreyfuss very much. It prevents me from really getting into Close Encounters.
You know, I never liked Richard Dreyfuss. Completely random, he just rubs me the wrong way somehow.
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When local fishermen catch a tiger shark,
I think it was actually a group of the amateurs.
Vaughn declares the beaches safe. A skeptical Hooper dissects the shark and, finding no human remains inside its stomach, concludes the killer shark is still out there.
Hooper's skeptical because the bite radius doesn't match Watkins's remains. The mayor says no to an autopsy, but a hard-drinking Brody takes Hooper to the shark by night after a dramatic confrontation with Mrs. Kintner, who holds him responsible for the beaches still being open after Watkins was found. Hooper, who'd been planning to leave town because of the mayor's lack of cooperation, does find a Louisiana license plate, indicating that the tiger shark came from the Gulf; and persuades a reluctant Brody to come with him on an excursion to prove that the big fish is still out there.
While searching the night waters in Hooper's boat, Hooper and Brody find the half-sunken boat of Ben Gardner, a local fisherman.
Craig Kingsbury, who played Gardner as being disdainful of the flotilla of amateurs in an earlier sequence, really was a local Martha's Vineyard fisherman, and influenced Shaw's portrayal of Quint.
Hooper dons a scuba suit and goes underwater to check the boat's hull; finds a large shark tooth embedded into it. He drops the tooth after encountering Gardner's severed head.
The most startling moment in the film for me on this revisit.

Vaughn dismisses Brody and Hooper's assertions that a great white shark caused the deaths and refuses to close the beaches, allowing only increased safety precautions. On the Fourth of July weekend, tourists pack the beaches. The shark enters a nearby lagoon, killing a boater and nearly killing Brody's son, Michael [Chris Rebello], who is hospitalized with shock.
Terror at the Beach Reopening
The TV reporter is played by the novel's author and screenplay's co-author, Peter Benchley. The estuary victim is Ted Grossman.

Brody then convinces a guilt-ridden Vaughn to hire Quint.
At least one shark attack later than the mayor should have been sold on the magnitude of the situation and done the right thing for everybody. Reportedly the novel had a discarded subplot about Vaughn being pressured by mob investors to keep the town open.

Despite initial tension between Quint and Hooper, and Brody's fear of the ocean, the three head out to sea on Quint's boat, the Orca, to hunt for the shark.
Quinn's initially dismissive of Hooper, considering him to be a soft city boy; but reluctantly agrees to bring him along as "ballast".

Hooper: I don't need this "working class hero" crap!​

As they're loading the boat and leaving the harbor, some doubt is cast by Quint's behavior, singing shanties and reciting lewd limericks. One of Dreyfuss's funniest bits of business comes as the voyage is underway, when Hooper watches Quint down a beer and crush the can, and then tries to match him by doing the same with a Styrofoam cup. Following this, we're conspicuously introduced to Chekhov's Compressed Air Tank. There's an early encounter with the unseen shark when Quint apparently hooks him and it breaks his line.

As Brody lays down a chum line, the shark suddenly appears behind the boat. Quint, estimating it is 25 feet long and weighs 3 tons, harpoons it with a line attached to a flotation barrel, but the shark pulls it underwater and disappears.
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At nightfall, Quint and Hooper drunkenly exchange stories about their assorted body scars.
Scars Scene
This is an important bonding scene, after Hooper has earned Quint's respect with his seamanship and performance under pressure.
One of Quint's is a removed tattoo; he reveals that during World War II, he survived the sinking of the USS Indianapolis, during which sharks killed many U.S. sailors.
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This is a true story, though the wrong date is given. According to Gottlieb, the final version of this scene was mostly written by Shaw himself, who was a playwright.

The shark returns, ramming the boat's hull and disabling the power. The men work through the night, repairing the engine. In the morning, Brody attempts to call the Coast Guard, but Quint, obsessed with killing the shark without outside assistance, smashes the radio. After a long chase, Quint harpoons the shark with another barrel. The line is tied to the stern cleats, but the shark drags the boat backward, swamping the deck and flooding the engine compartment. As Quint is about to sever the line to save the boat's transom, the cleats break off. The barrels stay attached to the shark. To Brody's relief, Quint speeds the Orca toward shore to draw the shark into shallower waters, but the damaged engine fails.
This is where things go into full-on monster movie / slasher flick territory as you have to suspend your disbelief about not only how much punishment this shark can take, but how much damage it can inflict while coming back for more, both overpowering and gradually destroying the boat--none of which reflects the behavior or known capabilities of actual great white sharks.

As the boat takes on water, the trio attempt a riskier approach. Hooper suits up and enters a shark-proof cage, intending to lethally inject the shark with strychnine via a hypodermic spear. The shark attacks the cage, causing Hooper to drop the spear. While the shark destroys the cage, Hooper escapes to the ocean bottom.
Hooper in the Cage
The shark leaps onto the boat's stern, subsequently devouring Quint.
Quint Is Devoured
Trapped on the sinking vessel, Brody thrusts a scuba tank into the shark's mouth and, climbing onto the crow's nest, shoots the tank with a rifle. The resulting explosion kills the shark.
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Hooper resurfaces and he and Brody paddle back to shore, clinging to the remaining barrels.
Sharing laughter of hysterical joy/relief even as Brody reports Quint's death.

Regarded as a watershed moment in motion picture history, Jaws was the prototypical summer blockbuster and won several awards for its music and editing. It was the highest-grossing film of all time until the release of Star Wars two years later; both films were pivotal in establishing the modern Hollywood business model, which pursues high box-office returns from action and adventure films with simple high-concept premises, released during the summer in thousands of theaters and advertised heavily. Jaws was followed by three sequels (none of which involved Spielberg or Benchley) and many imitative thrillers. In 2001, the Library of Congress selected it for preservation in the United States National Film Registry.
While I don't have much of a preexisting attachment to the film, it was a perfectly enjoyable watch, holding my attention and moving along at a good pace during my initial pleasure/absorption viewing. (The follow-up note-taking viewing always takes longer.) It's definitely a film that would have appealed to air-conditioned audiences on hot summer days, especially after their initial viewing, when going into the water was no longer an option.

Alas, the hysteria following the film reportedly led to an uptick in shark hunting and even one instance when a beached whale mistaken for a shark was beaten to death.



True. I was just thinking that about JFK recently. Boggles the mind.
And John Lennon for me.

It used to get a lot of play on BCN, along with "That Smell" and "Gimme Three Steps."
The latter of which appeared alongside "Free Bird" on their 1973 album (Pronounced 'Lĕh-'nérd 'Skin-'nérd), and has been recent 50th anniversary playlist business as the album's second chart run recently ended.

Well, that's Barry Manilow. He always reminds me of my old junior high school girlfriend, who loved him-- and she, I saw on Facebook, unexpectedly passed away within the past couple of months. That was kind of a gut punch.
My condolences. :(

Yeah, right. They should have pushed everything way far away into the 21st century. Instead of a Mars mission, it could have been the Jupiter III. :rommie:
Just a few more years would have been more convincing from a 1966 viewpoint. Why bother setting something in the future if it's going to barely be in the future? (Cue Picard Season 2 again.)

Someone on my forum just posted that ChatGPT was beaten at chess by an old Atari unit. I wonder how it would do at Pong. :rommie:
There's a telling story behind my joke about John Winston's TTT character being Kyle's ancestor. When I asked the Bing AI how many generations of grandfather 300 years would be, it did a calculation based on the routine number of 25 years/generation, which is debatable in practice, but I was willing to accept it for simplicity, coming up with 12. It then proceeded to describe the ancestor with twelve "greats" in front of "grandfather"--not taking into account the father and grandfather as two of the generations. It took me not one but two follow-up questions to get the AI to acknowledge the error.

That's definitely magical. Extrapolating on this concept, their hygiene must reset as well. And what about any food that they've eaten? And partially digested? Okay, I'm going to stop extrapolating.
I'd assume that once it's in the their bodies, it's good. They could potentially smuggle something small through time the hard way.

I see her in something similar to what Uhura was wearing in the Mirror Universe, only Navy blue. At first, she's wearing that crisp white lab coat over it, but all those sparks heat the place up so she has to take it off and throw it over the back of her chair. And then... but, no, I'll stop there. :rommie:
"Your agonizer, please."

Actually, there's been a couple of times when I drank coffee.
I meant to slip in somewhere along the way that Diane Baker immediately went on to play Kimble's 12th-hour love interest in the famous Fugitive finale.

Oh, I get it. :rommie: The Barney and Betty Hill thing goes back to 1960 or something, so they were definitely around.
The parents on the show were named Hank and Peggy.

Ah, right. It's strange how these aliens seem extraordinarily powerful and yet extraordinarily weak at the same time.
Their options are limited by the need to maintain secrecy.
 
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I definitely recall the presence of this film looming large at the time of its release, though I only got around to watching the whole thing relatively recently
I remember both the book and the movie being a big deal, but I didn't pay much attention because it was just a mainstream thing to me. I saw it later on TV in the late 70s or early 80s and it turns out I was pretty impressed, for various reasons.

I'm dubious of the claim about it being the first to be shot on the ocean
That does seem unlikely, but it's apparently true.

Apparently it was an all-night party, and the iconic first shark attack--shot day-for-night--was meant to happen close to sunup.
You can actually see the sunrise. And I always wondered where that patented Spielbergian backlighting came from in the shots from down below. :rommie:

We also eventually learn that despite his current locale, he has a lifelong fear of the water.
"Water. Why'd it have to be water?"

Mrs. Kintner is played by Lee Fierro. Note the implied offscreen devouring of Tippet, a black lab whose owner had been tossing a stick for him out into the water prior to where that clip begins. :(
Yes, that's a very ominous bit, but then quickly overshadowed by the madness that follows.

Be sure to turn the volume up really loud for Quint's dramatic intro--earbuds are recommended!
The Head, the Tail, the Whole Damn Thing
Thank you. :rommie: Actually, it doesn't bother me too much, but it makes me wonder if my Sister ever saw the movie-- just an errant scrape of a fork on a plate freaks her out.

To give credit where it's due, Dreyfuss does deliver my favorite line in the movie. :rommie:

The most startling moment in the film for me on this revisit.
There's a bunch of stuff that I'd forgotten, including this scene. Another big one is the cage scene at the end.

Reportedly the novel had a discarded subplot about Vaughn being pressured by mob investors to keep the town open.
I read the novel after I saw the movie. The really weird thing to me was that Brody's wife had an affair with Hooper. What th--?

One of Dreyfuss's funniest bits of business comes as the voyage is underway, when Hooper watches Quint down a beer and crush the can, and then tries to match him by doing the same with a Styrofoam cup.
Yeah, that's a good one. It's probably lost on the contemporary audience because today's beer cans are like tissue paper-- back in those days they were pretty heavy duty.

Scars Scene
This is an important bonding scene, after Hooper has earned Quint's respect with his seamanship and performance under pressure.
And there it is, my favorite line: "Mary Ellen Moffet-- she broke my heart." :rommie:

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This is a true story, though the wrong date is given. According to Gottlieb, the final version of this scene was mostly written by Shaw himself, who was a playwright.
And that is why they invented the word "riveting."

This is where things go into full-on monster movie / slasher flick territory as you have to suspend your disbelief about not only how much punishment this shark can take, but how much damage it can inflict while coming back for more, both overpowering and gradually destroying the boat--none of which reflects the behavior or known capabilities of actual great white sharks.
It does become a bizarre engine of supernatural vengeance, which is never really explained. As far as I can remember, it's never addressed in the novel, either, which is totally mainstream.

Go for the eyes!

Aw, man, not Quint. :(

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Okay, you're going to laugh, but one of the reasons I like this movie is that it's basically a big Night Stalker episode-- and that rifle shot is a classic Kolchak moment. :rommie:

While I don't have much of a preexisting attachment to the film, it was a perfectly enjoyable watch, holding my attention and moving along at a good pace during my initial pleasure/absorption viewing.
I can't say it's one of my favorite movies and I'm not about to add the DVD to my collection, but it's very engrossing. Spielberg earns his reputation. It's also got a great script.

Alas, the hysteria following the film reportedly led to an uptick in shark hunting and even one instance when a beached whale mistaken for a shark was beaten to death.
Yeah, people are nuts. :(

My condolences. :(
Thank you very much. It did lead to some melancholia.

There's a telling story behind my joke about John Winston's TTT character being Kyle's ancestor. When I asked the Bing AI how many generations of grandfather 300 years would be, it did a calculation based on the routine number of 25 years/generation, which is debatable in practice, but I was willing to accept it for simplicity, coming up with 12. It then proceeded to describe the ancestor with twelve "greats" in front of "grandfather"--not taking into account the father and grandfather as two of the generations. It took me not one but two follow-up questions to get the AI to acknowledge the error.
The AIs do fascinate me for their flaws as much as their capabilities. I feel like their development as simulations of the human mind will lead to insights into the thought process and mental illness.

I'd assume that once it's in the their bodies, it's good. They could potentially smuggle something small through time the hard way.
I hope so, because when you think about it, much of that digested food makes its way into their cells and organs-- if there's a long gap between time leaps, it could be deadly.

"Your agonizer, please."
"No need. I'm already in agony whenever you look at me."

I meant to slip in somewhere along the way that Diane Baker immediately went on to play Kimble's 12th-hour love interest in the famous Fugitive finale.
She's got a thing for guys on the run. :rommie:

So maybe Barney and Betty were cousins once removed... from Earth. :rommie:

Their options are limited by the need to maintain secrecy.
Yeah, but their need to maintain secrecy is indicative of weakness.
 

I remember both the book and the movie being a big deal, but I didn't pay much attention because it was just a mainstream thing to me. I saw it later on TV in the late 70s or early 80s and it turns out I was pretty impressed, for various reasons.
That's a pleasant surprise. I thought this might be on your "Bah, humbug!" list.

I belatedly realized that a lot of my vaguely recalled early background exposure to Jaws on Showtime might have been mostly, if not all, of Jaws 2. I do distinctly remember watching the opening scene in the original, however. Even as a little kid, the naked lady about to be attacked by a shark that was promoted as the iconic image of the film was a subject of fascination to me.

You can actually see the sunrise. And I always wondered where that patented Spielbergian backlighting came from in the shots from down below. :rommie:
At one point it seems like the sun is well up and covered by clouds. Then it's up (but lower) without the day/night filter in the last shot of Cassidy lying on the beach.

I found myself revisiting the parody scene in the infamous Spielberg 1979 comedy film 1941. Not only was Spielberg parodying his own breakout hit (which would have been lost on me when I first saw 1941 on Showtime in early adolescence), but he got Susan Backlinie to do herself--and leaving less to the imagination than in Jaws. It's been a long time, but I have to wonder if the Showtime version was edited to show at family-friendly times, because I don't remember seeing as much as I did in a YouTube vid that I found. (I'm sure it would be against board guidelines to post it here.)

Yes, that's a very ominous bit, but then quickly overshadowed by the madness that follows.
And they never follow up on it...I don't think the dog ever gets mentioned as a victim.

Thank you. :rommie: Actually, it doesn't bother me too much, but it makes me wonder if my Sister ever saw the movie-- just an errant scrape of a fork on a plate freaks her out.
:devil:

To give credit where it's due, Dreyfuss does deliver my favorite line in the movie. :rommie:
Now I'm picturing Richard Dreyfuss playing Tiny Tim....

There's a bunch of stuff that I'd forgotten, including this scene. Another big one is the cage scene at the end.
I read the novel after I saw the movie. The really weird thing to me was that Brody's wife had an affair with Hooper. What th--?
I read about that. It's said that they pretty much discarded the novel prior to the shark-hunting portion of the film. Spielberg, I think, is quoted as saying that he found all of the characters so unlikeable in the book that he was rooting for the shark! Also, Hooper died in the cage scene of the book; but survived in the film not by writing intent, but as an accident of production. It turned out that the best footage they got of a real shark attacking a smaller-scale version of the cage was when the cage wasn't occupied by its smaller-scale Dreyfuss double; so they improvised Hooper's escape and survival.

Yeah, that's a good one. It's probably lost on the contemporary audience because today's beer cans are like tissue paper-- back in those days they were pretty heavy duty.
And they'd be canceling Dreyfuss for drinking out of Styrofoam.

And there it is, my favorite line: "Mary Ellen Moffet-- she broke my heart." :rommie:
Huh. Not much of a LOL moment for me.

Aw, man, not Quint. :(
Who in the novel got pulled under like Captain Ahab, so I read.

Okay, you're going to laugh, but one of the reasons I like this movie is that it's basically a big Night Stalker episode-- and that rifle shot is a classic Kolchak moment. :rommie:
And, I read, totally scientifically inaccurate. I read that MythBusters did an entire episode about Jaws, which included disproving this bit of business.

I can't say it's one of my favorite movies and I'm not about to add the DVD to my collection, but it's very engrossing. Spielberg earns his reputation. It's also got a great script.
Sounds like we're pretty much on the same page here.

Yeah, people are nuts. :(
Gotta wonder how many of these people wear red hats with slogans on them these days....

I hope so, because when you think about it, much of that digested food makes its way into their cells and organs-- if there's a long gap between time leaps, it could be deadly.
Well, I wouldn't lose any sleep about the show ever getting anywhere close to any of that... :p

"No need. I'm already in agony whenever you look at me."
That line could be taken either way.

She's got a thing for guys on the run. :rommie:
Any ideas for an F-adjective that could have been placed before "famous Fugitive finale"? I'm no Stan, I was coming up blank for something that actually fit.

Yeah, but their need to maintain secrecy is indicative of weakness.
They do have their limits, from what I've read. And they may have other motivations for taking a covert approach.
 
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RIP, Bobby Sherman. He certainly led an interesting life and did not let his fame go to his head.

That's a pleasant surprise. I thought this might be on your "Bah, humbug!" list.
Heh. I suppose it is a surprise.

Even as a little kid, the naked lady about to be attacked by a shark that was promoted as the iconic image of the film was a subject of fascination to me.
Yeah, it really grabs you right from the start.

At one point it seems like the sun is well up and covered by clouds. Then it's up (but lower) without the day/night filter in the last shot of Cassidy lying on the beach.
These days they'd just fix it with CGI. :rommie:

I found myself revisiting the parody scene in the infamous Spielberg 1979 comedy film 1941.
Ah, there's another movie I still haven't seen.

Not only was Spielberg parodying his own breakout hit (which would have been lost on me when I first saw 1941 on Showtime in early adolescence), but he got Susan Backlinie to do herself--and leaving less to the imagination than in Jaws.
I think she was a nude model, so there are probably old pics out there in Internetland.

And they never follow up on it...I don't think the dog ever gets mentioned as a victim.
And probably the only time there was a non-human victim.

Spielberg, I think, is quoted as saying that he found all of the characters so unlikeable in the book that he was rooting for the shark!
Actually, that sounds about right. I do not recall enjoying the book.

Also, Hooper died in the cage scene of the book; but survived in the film not by writing intent, but as an accident of production. It turned out that the best footage they got of a real shark attacking a smaller-scale version of the cage was when the cage wasn't occupied by its smaller-scale Dreyfuss double; so they improvised Hooper's escape and survival.
Interesting. Did he make it into the sequels? Sounds almost like an Ian Malcom situation. :rommie:

And they'd be canceling Dreyfuss for drinking out of Styrofoam.
And for abusing sharks. Megalodons are endangered!

Huh. Not much of a LOL moment for me.
Ah, well. Different strokes. :rommie:

And, I read, totally scientifically inaccurate. I read that MythBusters did an entire episode about Jaws, which included disproving this bit of business.
That's a pity. On the other hand, that makes it even more like Kolchak. :rommie:

Gotta wonder how many of these people wear red hats with slogans on them these days....
All those still with us, probably.

Well, I wouldn't lose any sleep about the show ever getting anywhere close to any of that... :p
We need a revival so they can explore all my extrapolations. :rommie:

That line could be taken either way.
Oops. That's true. I guess I'm going to be punished for that. :rommie:

Any ideas for an F-adjective that could have been placed before "famous Fugitive finale"? I'm no Stan, I was coming up blank for something that actually fit.
How about "Fabled Fugitive Finale, f-endi." :D

They do have their limits, from what I've read. And they may have other motivations for taking a covert approach.
Something else we'll never know.
 
Ah, there's another movie I still haven't seen.
I think she was a nude model, so there are probably old pics out there in Internetland.
From what I read, she was primarily a stuntwoman who was comfortable working in the nude, but did some magazine shoots along the way. But if you want to see the 1941 bit, just search YouTube for "1941 - Opening scene (1979)". The gag they put her in is delightfully phallic.

And probably the only time there was a non-human victim.
I had a little brainstorm about the shark's super-Carcharodontic nature...perhaps it was a creature of the id. Whose id, you ask? Brody's. It was a manifestation of his fear of the water. He had to slay it in order to overcome that fear. Alas, Brody getting his head straight cost five people and one loyal canine their lives.

Interesting. Did he make it into the sequels?
Doesn't look like it.

How about "Fabled Fugitive Finale, f-endi." :D
I was thinking more like "Fabulously Famous Fugitive Finale," but something stronger / less redundant.

Something else we'll never know.
From the tidbits I read, we should be learning more, however piecemeal.

Revisiting an old bit of business that I never got back to; I caught all five episodes of The Big Valley that Richard Anderson appeared in. It turns out that Lee Majors was completely absent from two of them, and didn't share any scenes with him in a third. The only two in which they shared the screen were 1x30, "Last Train to the Fair," and 3x20, "Fall of a Hero". Here are a few grabs from "Last Train to the Fair," which may be their first work onscreen together. Anderson plays a doctor who's on the run from some dissatisfied customers, but gets anchored down helping Audra through a bout of something or another.

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( ^ Their first shot together, however poorly framed.)
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4x18, "Alias Nellie Handley," in which Victoria goes undercover in a prison, had a noteworthy guest cast: Anderson as the corrupt warden; Gavin MacLeod as his cruel chief guard; and Susan Oliver as Victoria's cellmate.
 
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From what I read, she was primarily a stuntwoman who was comfortable working in the nude, but did some magazine shoots along the way.
I recall my friend coming up with a Penthouse or something where they dug up some old pictures to capitalize on the movie.

But if you want to see the 1941 bit, just search YouTube for "1941 - Opening scene (1979)". The gag they put her in is delightfully phallic.
I found it after I posted. It's cute. :rommie:

the shark's super-Carcharodontic nature...
Nice. :D

perhaps it was a creature of the id. Whose id, you ask? Brody's. It was a manifestation of his fear of the water. He had to slay it in order to overcome that fear. Alas, Brody getting his head straight cost five people and one loyal canine their lives.
Well, at least he's not as bad as Dr Morbius.

I was thinking more like "Fabulously Famous Fugitive Finale," but something stronger / less redundant.
Fabulous Furry Fugitive Finale? Forbush-Man's Favorite Fugitive Finale? Furshlugginer Fugitive Finale? Phantasmagorical First Fugitive Finale? Fuzzy-Wuzzy Fugitive Finale? :rommie:

From the tidbits I read, we should be learning more, however piecemeal.
Interesting....

Revisiting an old bit of business that I never got back to; I caught all five episodes of The Big Valley that Richard Anderson appeared in.
A Richard Anderson binge. He'd be pleased.

4x18, "Alias Nellie Handley," in which Victoria goes undercover in a prison, had a noteworthy guest cast: Anderson as the corrupt warden; Gavin MacLeod as his cruel chief guard; and Susan Oliver as Victoria's cellmate.
Good cast, and a strange plot. Not that I ever saw the show, but it doesn't seem like the kind of story they do. Sounds more like Police Woman or Charlie's Angels.
 
I read where NBC also did a TV airing of Jaws 50 on Friday night, with the Spielberg intro. It got remarkably high viewership for something widely available on home video in the streaming age.

I found it after I posted. It's cute. :rommie:
Did you catch the whole scene? And did you notice Christopher Lee?

Needless to say, I had to look into that. Gotta give the AI the credit. I was just looking for the shark equivalent of "superhuman".

Fabulous Furry Fugitive Finale? Forbush-Man's Favorite Fugitive Finale? Furshlugginer Fugitive Finale? Phantasmagorical First Fugitive Finale? Fuzzy-Wuzzy Fugitive Finale? :rommie:
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Good cast, and a strange plot. Not that I ever saw the show, but it doesn't seem like the kind of story they do. Sounds more like Police Woman or Charlie's Angels.
They had a story motivation for the character going out of her element like that, but one thing I've picked up from my limited exposure to TBV is that Barbara's Stanwyck's the Big Damn Dramatic Lead, and Don't You Forget It!
 
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