What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Turtletrekker]

Whilst on watch and gate guarding duty, JJ also oversaw the destruction of the planets Romulus, Remus and Vulcan. Or perhaps we should blame Emperor Kurtzman, who seems to let anything pass both under and over his radar from his throne upon the Death Star, like he doesn’t actually care about the franchise anymore or no longer has a say in how things are run? I’m not sure if Kurtzman has ever seen Star Wars or not, but I *do* know that he has seen Transformers.

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Tawny Newsome should make for a good new show runner, though?

I'll take Alex Kurtzman over JJ Abrams 101 times out of 100.

ETA -- Rick Berman also.

 

[fireproof78]

Apparently so…

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That doesn't answer the question at all.

Dare to think for yourself.

 

[The Wormhole]

IIRC, Nero got a hold of Borg tech to amp up and weaponize its mining equipment into planet-killing (Vulcan) lethality, which was his primary goal. Anything that got in the way would have been quickly dealt with. The movie dialogue had Nero say that “in my time the Narada was a simple mining ship”. The way it was written, it got boosted by virtue of simply jumping forward in time without any additional exposition. I suppose it kind of works with leveraging the whole “space magic” angle, and not very integral to the plot, but it was definitely a narrative weak point, IMO, that probably could have been fleshed out a little more. I don’t think it would have hurt anything to mention the Borg tech. Pretty much everyone who went to see that movie are likely going to know who and what the Borg are.

Ignoring the Borg technology for a moment, it makes the most sense that the Narada we see in the movie was upgraded from what it originally was. After all, Nero did not intend to go back in time, that happened accidentally. His goal was always to destroy Vulcan and Earth, just originally he would have done it in the 24th century. If he had any serious intent to get past 24th century Starfleet, he'd have to do it in something a bit more impressive than a "simple mining ship." Thus he pimped out his simple mining ship giving fearsome weapons and defenses. Then got stuck in the past where his advances were even more beneficial, going against technology from a century earlier.

Then waited twenty-five years giving Starfleet enough time to advance their technology in reaction to him. Sure, he still got to destroy Vulcan, but he was defeated shortly thereafter. If he had struck when he first arrived in the 23rd century when no one was ready for him, he could have destroyed Vulcan and Earth and made Romulans the dominant power in the Alpha Quadrant. And before anyone brings up the deleted Rura Penthe scenes, when Nero does decide to escape there, it was super easy, barely an inconvenience for him and his crew to do so, meaning they could have done so at any time during the past quarter century. And putting that aside, the Klingons had the ultimate weapon for twenty-five years and did nothing with it? Really?

 

[fireproof78]

And putting that aside, the Klingons had the ultimate weapon for twenty-five years and did nothing with it? Really?

It could have just as easily prompted a civil war.

Then waited twenty-five years giving Starfleet enough time to advance their technology in reaction to him.

Because his revenge was initially against Spock. Then, going to the past, he expanded his plans.

 

[The Wormhole]

It could have just as easily prompted a civil war.

Which would still make more sense than impounding the most powerful and invincible weapon in the same prison its crew is being held at so when they escape they have easy access to it.

Because his revenge was initially against Spock.

And if Nero had struck right away, Spock would have arrived to find both his homeworlds destroyed with him powerless to do anything about it. A better revenge than making him watch the destruction of one homeworld so he can set into motion the events which leads to Nero's defeat.

 

[fireproof78]

Which would still make more sense than impounding the most powerful and invincible weapon in the same prison its crew is being held at so when they escape they have easy access to it.

I never took it as impounded. I took it as the Klingons took it back and were trying to force Nero to reveal how to use it. Since Nero is so consumed with revenge he doesn't give up anything.

Klingons try to make it work but fight amongst themselves which hampers progress.

. A better revenge than making him watch the destruction of one homeworld so he can set into motion the events which leads to Nero's defeat.

But it's not better for Nero; he needs to see it.

He is not logical, a dark mirror of Vulcan rage.

 

[The Wormhole]

I never took it as impounded. I took it as the Klingons took it back and were trying to force Nero to reveal how to use it. Since Nero is so consumed with revenge he doesn't give up anything.

Klingons try to make it work but fight amongst themselves which hampers progress.

Admittedly, I was basing my comments from IDW's comics, where Narada was indeed impounded.

 

[HotRod]

the Klingons had the ultimate weapon for twenty-five years and did nothing with it? Really?

Do we know they did nothing with it? The Klingon "Warbirds" had many more weapons than the standard D7/K'Tinga. Plus, they managed to blow up Praxis at least 30 years earlier than the Prime Timeline.

 

[fireproof78]

Admittedly, I was basing my comments from IDW's comics, where Narada was indeed impounded.

I go off of my interpretation of the film. We never know how long the Klingons have it or the Narada drifted while they tried to effect repairs.

 

[Jayson1]

I still love all 3 of the Kelvinverse movies. Not sure if that is controversial though. They, along with Superman and Lois is also a big reason I want SNW to break from canon and not kill Pike. Establish that the show has been set in a alternate timeline. Perhaps one that was changed and diverged when Pike got knowledge of his future.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Nero: 0 years saving the planet, 25 years pimping his ride.

I wish I could say he would be alone in this distiction.

 

[Unicron]

Yep. They literally gave a lost starship an entire quadrant of the galaxy we'd seen just once before and still found a way to make it feel like TNG with more Borg and less Frenchmen.

So if we made a list of improvements for VOY, one could be more French people?

 

[cooleddie74]

We almost got a French-Canadian Captain.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Why does a mining ship carry that much firepower?

For mining.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

To protect against pirates who might try to steal their ore/ship and/or enslave the crew.

 

[cooleddie74]

And for the occasional time travel accident along the way that results in a diabolical scheme to destroy the Federation.

 

[Nerys Myk]

If our explanation is all sorts of weapons are mounted on the ship, are we not just saying it's a warship that can do some commercial work?

Pirates.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

In case they fall into a black hole and come out the other side into a JJ Abrams film .

 

[Ovation]

In case they fall into a black hole and come out the other side into a JJ Abrams film .

Yawn.

 

[BillJ]

In case they fall into a black hole and come out the other side into a JJ Abrams film .

There are lots of Star Trek programs that have questionable logic, but I don’t think Abrams is any worse about it than hundreds of TV episodes with questionable logic.

A future ship being more advanced and powerful vs. a past ship doesn’t seem all that questionable to me, however.