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Yes, there was a lot of joking at the Pentagon when the new rank was formed in the 1980s.
They could at least have had a little fun with it.
Archer: Raise shields! Erm, I mean, polarize the hull plating as shields haven't been invented yet!
Because "Rear Admiral, Lower Half" is an absolutely ridiculous sounding rank.
You're addressed as "Admiral" rather than the outmoded "Commodore," just as a lieutenant commander is customarily "Commander" other than on paper or some formal situations.
Yes, but that is how you are addressed, not what your actual rank is. I still maintain that the rank itself sounds absolutely ridiculous. I think "Commodore" sounds much better. Heck, "Lieutenant Admiral" would have even been better. "Lower Half?" It sounds like you are the ass and legs of an admiral.
why not "rear admiral, back half"? or just, rearest or rearmost admiral?
Jeez, guys. The ship has sailed, figuratively if not in fact literally!
More like circling the drain at this point.
CPO Sharkey is the only acceptable rank to be debating.
Especially since modern Trek shows have brought Commodore back anyway, and the idea that Starfleet followed the US Navy in replacing the rank with Rear Admiral Lower Half was never reflected canonically. The idea comes the old Star Trek Encyclopedia. And while it does provide insight into the fact the Okudas and perhaps the entire production team in the 90s really did think of Starfleet as the US Navy in space, it ultimately doesn't mean anything today, canonically speaking.
At this point, continuing to argue the merits of using Commodore, Rear Admiral Lower Half or some other title for the one star flag rank is just a discussion about the US Navy. And last I checked, this is not the forum for discussing the US Navy.
Tracy and Gordo's Death (For All Mankind) > Spock's Death
(And Data's in Nemesis really isn't that bad)
(And Data's in Nemesis really isn't that bad)
Why does everyone here get such a stick up their butt when conversations naturally flow in one direction or the other? Good grief, that's how conversations work. This is a 1,285 page thread about Trek-related topics and for all of 4 of 5 messages we discussed a topic about rank that is off-topic but tangentially related to Trek. Lighten up, people.
To bring it back specifically to Trek, though, of course we heard the rank of Commodore mentioned in TMP, and Robert Fletcher's designs for the monster maroon rank insignia designated the lowest flag rank pin as for Commodore, with the next highest pin being just for "Rear Admiral" with no further designation. Of course, that is based on his notes and the book that was published about the uniforms, and that rank pin as far as I know has never been seen on screen, but it seems clear that at least the time of the TOS movies, it was intended that Commodore was still a rank.
To bring it back specifically to Trek, though, of course we heard the rank of Commodore mentioned in TMP, and Robert Fletcher's designs for the monster maroon rank insignia designated the lowest flag rank pin as for Commodore, with the next highest pin being just for "Rear Admiral" with no further designation. Of course, that is based on his notes and the book that was published about the uniforms, and that rank pin as far as I know has never been seen on screen, but it seems clear that at least the time of the TOS movies, it was intended that Commodore was still a rank.
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You do know who you are talking to, right? The same group of people cut from the cloth of those that Shatner said "Get a life!" to?
We Star Trek fans do not have a sense of humor that we are aware of.
Yes we do. We just don't use it here.
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