What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[fireproof78]

My opinion, obviously. But there nothing in the record that O'Brien was ever in such serious trouble that he might have been demoted. (Maybe if he'd been serving on Voyager...

Also, the dialog gets a lot of eyes on it for continuity... the costume not so much.

Worf's father was an NCO himself and would probably NOT mistake an officer for an NCO.

Not if he was a respectable NCO.

 

[Paul755]

Interesting thought experiement. I have trouble imagining anyone but Sisko as CO of DS9.
A "regular Starfleet" officer like Riker would not be a good fit

Would love to get an animated Trek “What if…” show ala Marvel to cover stuff like this.

At any rate, Sisko should have been at least a rear admiral by the time he was directing hundreds of ships in battle.

Why not Commodore. As we see with Geordi, the rank is rare but not out of use.

 

[kkt]

Would love to get an animated Trek “What if…” show ala Marvel to cover stuff like this.




Why not Commodore. As we see with Geordi, the rank is rare but not out of use.

"Commodore" is sort of a weird rank... The civilian captain of a convoy who is the liason between the civilian ships and Starfleet is called a commodore, Kassidy was one once. Mostly extra work for little extra pay or perks

Some civilian shipping lines call their most senior captain the commodore.

For most of the US Navy it was a temporary command that a captain would be appointed to when he was the lead in charge of several other ships who had captains in command. Then he'd revert to a captain when the temporary command was over.

The U.S. Navy changed the permanent one-star rank from "commodore" to "rear admiral, lower half" 40 years ago and has returned "commodore" to mean captain temporarily in command of more than one ship...

 

[CorporalCaptain]

When dialog conflicts with costumes, dialog wins.

OK.

In "The Wounded," O'Brien was described by Captain Maxwell as the "tactical officer" of the Rutledge. This was affirmed by Riker.

BOOM

 

[CoveTom]

The U.S. Navy changed the permanent one-star rank from "commodore" to "rear admiral, lower half" 40 years ago and has returned "commodore" to mean captain temporarily in command of more than one ship...

I will never stop hating that. "Rear Admiral, Lower Half" is just an absolutely ridiculous sounding rank. They should definitely go back to Commodore.

 

[Jayson1]

He, who? Rodenberry?

Yep. Not so sure why he had a big issue with the idea. That is why you even see some early photos of the crew, missing Worf in them.

 

[fireproof78]

The U.S. Navy changed the permanent one-star rank from "commodore" to "rear admiral, lower half" 40 years ago and has returned "commodore" to mean captain temporarily in command of more than one ship...

They changed to fit in with other nations.

 

[Mage]

Yep. Not so sure why he had a big issue with the idea. That is why you even see some early photos of the crew, missing Worf in them.

Source?

 

[Jayson1]

Like a million different things it seems. Don't even know where to start but Screen Rant is one place. Really though all one has to do is type, Roddenberry didn't want Worf as a regular, into a search engine. One big story was Moore talking about how Roddenberry just wanted Worf in the background to comment on how things were different with the Klingons. Also he didn't like the idea of doing a two parter in Redemption because it focused on Worf. I think part of is it was he didn't want a alien as a regular and wanted to focus on humans.

 

[Farscape One]

OK.

In "The Wounded," O'Brien was described by Captain Maxwell as the "tactical officer" of the Rutledge. This was affirmed by Riker.

BOOM

'Tactical Officer' is a title/position, not a rank.

 

[kkt]

Like a million different things it seems. Don't even know where to start but Screen Rant is one place. Really though all one has to do is type, Roddenberry didn't want Worf as a regular, into a search engine. One big story was Moore talking about how Roddenberry just wanted Worf in the background to comment on how things were different with the Klingons. Also he didn't like the idea of doing a two parter in Redemption because it focused on Worf. I think part of is it was he didn't want a alien as a regular and wanted to focus on humans.

I guess Spock on TOS was a big mistake then.

 

[donners22]

I'd have been quite happy not having the two-parter Redemption; it was awful.

 

[Crumpets]

I agree. Maybe not awful but not up to standard for a season ender. I don't think I became invested in Worf's family name arc much. I did like the Kales episode though.

 

[Crumpets]

Gawron grew on me more and more though. It was good to see Crosby back, but it was a wierd role for her. It's amazing how much influence that was given to Worf, for the Klingons.

 

[knightgrace]

It started with Franz Joseph's original blueprints - way before FASA (and Phase II).

My point exactly...


The data was there, and they failed to pay attention to it.

TMoST, stayed explicitly that there are different types of deflectors.

Gene Roddenberry in that memo makes sure that one actually reading it, understands what exactly he had in mind. And remember that Phase II predates TMP.

Logic dictates that this is an old system. Or old methodology for ships to have a chance of surviving out there.

Why an 'old' system? Because from the start different things would be tried and modeled, simulated, and tested. Especially during the first fifty years of Star flight.

Review the episode 'Return of the Archons', Kirk was surprised that the Archon was destroyed...

This reflects just how tough Starships have been for over a century.

 

[Jayson1]

I guess Spock on TOS was a big mistake then.

Spock was half human but also we are talking about Roddenberry at two different points of time in his life.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

'Tactical Officer' is a title/position, not a rank.

Well, you do you, but I interpret that as a title/position manned by an officer.

 

[BillJ]

Says who? Who's to say that Worf's father didn't make a mistake in identifying O'Brien's rank and nobody bothered to correct him? Who's to say that O'Brien's uniform wasn't correct and that he got demoted later on?


Then why did Sulu refer to the screens holding against V'Ger's attack in the SLV of TMP? Why would they not have had their defenses at full power against something that they had witnessed destroying ships and space stations?

Because Star Trek has always been wildly inconsistent on its technology.

 

[cooleddie74]

And sometimes within the exact same show.

 

[knightgrace]

About Flag Ranks in the US Navy...

The original idea, came from, for some unknown reason, the British Royal Navy. A Commodore, was a commander of a squadron of ships. A Rear Admiral Lower Half, brought up the rear, and commanded, several Commodores...these were the tail-end Charlie's. Rear Admiral Upper Half was next in line. Closer to the possible battle. Vice Admirals were on the flanks, watching to either port, or to starboard. Admirals, commanded the lead element.

The number of Commodores, commanded by their Admiral. involved went up, as the experience went up.

Just to be clear the United States Navy has a great many traditions that came directly from the British Royal Navy, as well as the French Royal Navy.

Why?
Because they work. Otherwise they get scrapped.

I suggest that you read Tom Clancy's non fiction book: 'A Guided Tour of a Nuclear Submarine.' In that book is a compare and contrast between the United States Navy, and the British Royal Navy.

United States Naval Captain's are trained to be the "perfect " sub drivers. In the British Royal Navy, the "perfect " Submarine Captains.
At the time the book was written, Americans were praised for their technical excellence.

And the description of British Royal Navy Captains? Fear.

No one wants to face a Royal Navy Captain. They are lethal.

So now the question: How does Starfleet train its Captains???