What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Farscape One]

You answered your own question as to why it wouldn't sound good in dialogue.


Why was that the mental image you went to?

Actually, I wasn't asking whether it would sound good or not. I just said it would be funnier.

I mean... come on. It's bubbles. Bubbles can be quite funny.

 

[Enterprise1701]

I am not laughing.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Why was that the mental image you went to?

 

[knightgrace]

Just remember that in the book 'Star Trek Phase II, on page fifty, there is a copy of a memo defining Deflector Shields, Deflector Screens, and Navigational Deflectors. FASA drives me nuts about having Deflector Screens and Navigational Deflectors being the same thing.

 

[137th Gebirg]

It started with Franz Joseph's original blueprints - way before FASA (and Phase II).

 

[BillJ]

Just remember that in the book 'Star Trek Phase II, on page fifty, there is a copy of a memo defining Deflector Shields, Deflector Screens, and Navigational Deflectors. FASA drives me nuts about having Deflector Screens and Navigational Deflectors being the same thing.

One just being a low power variant of the other. Screens are low power mode, shields are high power, designed for combat.

 

[Nerys Myk]

One just being a low power variant of the other. Screens are low power mode, shields are high power, designed for combat.

Screens!!! Windows!!!! Shutters!!!

 

[fireproof78]

Actually, I wasn't asking whether it would sound good or not. I just said it would be funnier.

I mean... come on. It's bubbles. Bubbles can be quite funny.

Sir, this is the serious Trek forum. Hijinks are not allowed.

 

[cooleddie74]

Seriously?

POLARIZE THE HULL PLATING!

Way cooler than "Raise shields".

I don't mean the script language. The overall concept. It ended up sounding almost exactly like "raise shields" the way the shows were written.

I love ENT but the Beebs learned very little about dynamic dialogue between VOY and the newer series.

 

[Farscape One]

Sir, this is the serious Trek forum. Hijinks are not allowed.

Well... Odo has a deep appreciation of bubbles.

He gets it.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Sir, this is the serious Trek forum. Hijinks are not allowed.

Hijinks is worship word… Yang worship! You will not speak it!

 

[kkt]

Yes, but even when that reference was made, he still wore the pips of a lieutenant. That was not changed until "Realm of Fear."

When dialog conflicts with costumes, dialog wins.

 

[kkt]

They were never serious about giving him a command.

Now the What If? portion of my brain has come up with the query: What if Frakes/Riker was offered the lead in DS9?

Interesting thought experiement. I have trouble imagining anyone but Sisko as CO of DS9.
A "regular Starfleet" officer like Riker would not be a good fit

 

[Firebird]

One just being a low power variant of the other. Screens are low power mode, shields are high power, designed for combat.

Maurice Hurley told a story once about how Gene yanked him into his office to yell at him "you don't know the difference between shields and deflectors!" but managed to turn things around by saying "y'know, you're right - let me know the difference since it'll probably help me understand the universe a little better."

 

[CoveTom]

When dialog conflicts with costumes, dialog wins.

Says who? Who's to say that Worf's father didn't make a mistake in identifying O'Brien's rank and nobody bothered to correct him? Who's to say that O'Brien's uniform wasn't correct and that he got demoted later on?

One just being a low power variant of the other. Screens are low power mode, shields are high power, designed for combat.

Then why did Sulu refer to the screens holding against V'Ger's attack in the SLV of TMP? Why would they not have had their defenses at full power against something that they had witnessed destroying ships and space stations?

 

[kkt]

During the Dominion War Sisko should have been promoted to the lowest rank of admiral and then to the next higher Admiral rank and then even higher and so on with a promotion every few months. By the time of "Sacrifice of Angels" Sisko would hav ehad to be the equivalent of a six star or seven star admiral at least to command a fleet of 600 warships.

And of course that would not be consistent with the ranks of admirals in the US navy. But it should be obvious that the space navy of a major interstellar power would have to have many more ranks of admirals than the US navy has. More ranks of admirals than all the officer ranks in the US navy and quite possibly more ranks of admirals than all the enlisted and officer ranks in the US navy.

The idea that a flee tof 600 space ships in a major space battle would be commanded by a mere captain is absurd.

Yes, fully agree about Sisko's rank. Also he was Vice Admiral Ross's adjutant. An adjutant is normally one step below - so Sisko should have been a rear admiral at the peak of the Dominion War.

But I don't really see the need for more grades of admiral. In the enlisted and field officer ranks, they usually have no more than four direct reports with rank one step below, but that is not necessarily so with admirals. The U.S. Navy in WW II had 6,700 ships in 1945, and they managed to get by with only four Fleet Admirals.

 

[kkt]

Says who? Who's to say that Worf's father didn't make a mistake in identifying O'Brien's rank and nobody bothered to correct him? Who's to say that O'Brien's uniform wasn't correct and that he got demoted later on?

My opinion, obviously. But there nothing in the record that O'Brien was ever in such serious trouble that he might have been demoted. (Maybe if he'd been serving on Voyager...

Also, the dialog gets a lot of eyes on it for continuity... the costume not so much.

Worf's father was an NCO himself and would probably NOT mistake an officer for an NCO.

 

[kkt]

He didn't really want Worf on the show. He even saw him as a glorified extra for I think a long time.

He, who? Rodenberry?

 

[Farscape One]

Yes, fully agree about Sisko's rank. Also he was Vice Admiral Ross's adjutant. An adjutant is normally one step below - so Sisko should have been a rear admiral at the peak of the Dominion War.

But I don't really see the need for more grades of admiral. In the enlisted and field officer ranks, they usually have no more than four direct reports with rank one step below, but that is not necessarily so with admirals. The U.S. Navy in WW II had 6,700 ships in 1945, and they managed to get by with only four Fleet Admirals.

Ross' previous adjutant before he made Sisko his adjutant was also a captain. (Captain Bennet, if I remember correctly.) Promoted to command a tactical wing, but it was never stated if it was just a position promotion or it had a rank boost, as well.

Admiral Leyton's was a Commander, Benteen. She was promoted to captain and given command of the Lakota. (Though given the events of "PARADISE LOST", I can see her losing that promotion at the least... possibly even out of Starfleet.)

An adjutant seems to be at least 3 steps lower in rank than their direct superior.

 

[kkt]

Ross' previous adjutant before he made Sisko his adjutant was also a captain. (Captain Bennet, if I remember correctly.) Promoted to command a tactical wing, but it was never stated if it was just a position promotion or it had a rank boost, as well.

Admiral Leyton's was a Commander, Benteen. She was promoted to captain and given command of the Lakota. (Though given the events of "PARADISE LOST", I can see her losing that promotion at the least... possibly even out of Starfleet.)

An adjutant seems to be at least 3 steps lower in rank than their direct superior.

Hm. Okay, that's just weird then. An adjutant is expected to take command if their commander is unable to serve, and they're supposed to jump three steps to do that? Weird.

At any rate, Sisko should have been at least a rear admiral by the time he was directing hundreds of ships in battle.