When exactly did Jadzia Dax reject Julian Bashir (since her first words to him here definitely not rejection)? Also, first interaction between Bashir
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I believe that she was.
I think she was also annoyed that he saw it all as an adventure, whereas Kira only a very short time ago was fighting a brutal occupation of her home.
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In that particular part of her life, she was way too confused herself to tell a coherent lie with a straight face. However, she might also have been misremembering what her feelings were. Jadzia seems to be a bit indecisive regarding Julian back in season 1 anyway, and confused Ezri might have been remembering the pro-Julian feelings more than the anti-Julian feelings.
Gotta love it when people emphasise that you weren't as good as someone else. Maximum soul crushing devastation.
That is true. Indeed, one of the worst aspects of both the Ezri Dax character and the decision to kill off Jadzia was that they had so few opportunities to deal with her psychological issues. Trill hosts are supposed to be carefully vetted, thoroughly trained, and then matched with compatible symbionts. And we see in Joran the reason why that is. Ezri was joined essentially at random.
That's not how I see it at all. I see it more as an attempt to tell Julian that he was someone she seriously considered even if she didn't ultimately choose him, as opposed to the reasonable inference one could have that Jadzia never took Julian particularly seriously as a potential partner.
By this point, their flirtations were five to six years in the past. Julian had had other partners and generally seemed to move on. If Jadzia hadn't died the whole thing would have been a moot point. Frankly, if someone's really carrying an unrequited torch for someone for that long, that's kind of sad at best.
And in any event, does anyone really think that Ezri told Julian this because she was trying to hurt his feelings?
No. I think it was the writers, trying to set up the Ezri/Bashir ship, which I did not and do not give a rat's hind end about.
If they thought Jadzi/Julian shippers would like Ezri/Bashir, they really missunderstood why many people shippped Jadzia/Julian.
Oh yes. They could have just give us another Trill. At least with Ezri e got a bit more of Trill culture. Not much, but a little.
And Ezri, though supposed to be a ship's counselor, was fighting on the front lines just like Jadzia did. This wasn't a "new person", it was a replacement. Just like on those soap operas, where you periodically see "the part of Jennifer Jones is now being played by Jane Green".
Yes. At least, on Voyager, no one pretended Seven of Nine was Kes.
This argument doesn't make any sense to me. I thought it was a unique opportunity with the death of Jadzia to take advantage of one of the few defining features of the Trill and have Dax return in a new host, something that couldn't (as plausibly) have been done with anyone else in the cast.
I also don't really see how Ezri was in any way particularly reminiscent of Jadzia. Jadzia had a composure that Ezri was generally lacking, and the only time I'm actively recollecting Ezri engaging in combat was during the siege of AR-558 (or whatever), and she's hardly portrayed as being a skilled combatant in that episode.
The Ezra-Julian thing is somewhat a victim of it being practically a last-minute romance. As the novelverse did, I would like to think that if we'd had another season of the show that at some point there would have been serious questions raised as to whether Julian had feelings for Ezri Dax as herself, or whether he was transferring his feelings for Jadzia onto Ezri.
I also don't really see how Ezri was in any way particularly reminiscent of Jadzia. Jadzia had a composure that Ezri was generally lacking, and the only time I'm actively recollecting Ezri engaging in combat was during the siege of AR-558 (or whatever), and she's hardly portrayed as being a skilled combatant in that episode.
The Ezra-Julian thing is somewhat a victim of it being practically a last-minute romance. As the novelverse did, I would like to think that if we'd had another season of the show that at some point there would have been serious questions raised as to whether Julian had feelings for Ezri Dax as herself, or whether he was transferring his feelings for Jadzia onto Ezri.
But they pretty much tranferred Jadzia relationships onto her.
Odo is the other character who could have been played by a completely different actor, if they could come up with a plausible reason he might choose to adopt a new and entirely different humanoid appearance.
What were you expecting in this scenario?
It would have been interesting to see another actor trying to emulate Rene's mannerisms; I'm not sure I would have enjoyed that.