No. Just watched ROTJ in the theater and Anakin stood out so poorly while Mon Mothma takes center stage for a speech and I think she does very well.
He's kind of frosty in general.
Spoilers Andor - Season 2
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He's an Imperial but in the end a pencil pusher, who just wanted to do important things and receive attention and praise, something he never got from his mother. One has to feel bad for him when he realizes he's been a pawn all along and a pawn for the most vile people in existence and his "girlfriend" knew all along that he was a pawn and used him too, despite the feelings she has developed for him.
His whole world came crashing down around him and the final nail was Cassian not even knowing who he was and why he was attacked by him.
Syril was just such a tragic figure and i have to repeat myself over and over again but the writing on this show is next level, especially for Star Wars.
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Yeah it's something I'd thought not possible. Star Wars had always been more on the family friendly side. Its audience well may have mass appeal has mainly aimed at kids. Especially on the merchandising side. Yea I know fans buy the toys regardless of their age lol.
But I can’t imagine having the Ghorman genocide massacre playset lol
Andor has shown that these two sides can coexist and i so wish that Disney takes notice and does both.
As i said i love all the bells and whistles, the cool spaceships, battles and Jedi/Sith swinging their lightsabers. To a degree i also like the kiddie elements, the cute robot sidekicks and aliens - it is Star Wars ( though i could use far less "iconic" one liners like Hello there, This is where the fun begins or I have a bad feeling about this)
However this show has proven that there is a market for more mature shows and also movies ( never in a million years would i have expected the entire rebel team to die in Rogue One). I will turn 50 this year, i have grown up with Star Wars and i'd really like to see stories that appeal to the adult side of me in a universe i love to death.
They addressed the issue somewhat with Draven mentioning that Rebel policy will soon change to monitor who leaves and who doesn't but considering how paranoid Luthen and Draven have been shown to be in other episodes/works, I'm surprised that there wasn't more fuss from the Rebel side about Bix, who knows way too much, running off without any way to contact her. She knows where Yavin is. She knows enough about Luthen to ensure Luthen and Kleya get sent to the spice mines of Kessel. She hasn't been mentally stable since her torture and now has a history of drug usage.
For all the Rebels know, she's going to sell them all out for hefty financial reward once she hooks up with someone who looks like Jason Momoa, a massive improvement over her ex-boyfriend Cassian.
For all the Rebels know, she's going to sell them all out for hefty financial reward once she hooks up with someone who looks like Jason Momoa, a massive improvement over her ex-boyfriend Cassian.
Yeah well, there's still 3 episodes to go and we all know how ruthless, cold and methodical Luthen can be.
I figure both of them won't survive to the end.
I'm headcanoning now that the atrocities of the Ghorman massacre is what gave Cassian cold feet about sniping down Galen Erso in Rogue (doesn't help that Jyn accuses him of being no different from a stormtrooper afterwards). And if he ever found out somehow, however unlikely that is, about Syril's connection to Dedra and connected that with how he went on a no-holds barred beatdown against him when he saw Cassian trying to snipe her, that'd give him another reason to be hesitant about sniping someone's loved one.
Head retcon: Jyn got a lucky shot at the right spot on that KX droid's torso.
Unbelievable. This show has achieved the impossible! I don't know how they did it; indeed I suspect there may be a Nightsister in the writer's room since it could only possibly be done with the aid of witchcraft. For three whole seconds . . . They made me feel sorry . . . for Eedy Karn . . . Eedy. Karn. My mind is officially blown!
OK seriously though; a few small nitpicks aside, another fantastic arc! I'll have to watch it again at least once to really digest it, but my first impressions: -
Andor isn't breaking any new ground, it's just building on an already established and solid foundation.
OK seriously though; a few small nitpicks aside, another fantastic arc! I'll have to watch it again at least once to really digest it, but my first impressions: -
- The only thing that bugs me about this whole show is that they went with two seasons instead of 5 (or even just 3!) I know the why of it, and I respect the decision; I just can't help feeling like we're skipping over so much good stuff, and it's a little bit frustrating at times imagining what could have been! (Yes, I know there's about a 0% chance it wouldn't have been cancelled after just 2 seasons anyway, because: money! I can still dream though!)
- Having a force healer on Yavin was an interesting choice; of course there were always more than just Jedi that could use the force, and those that left, or couldn't make the cut as Padawans, or who's parents opted not to give them up (yes, that's always an option!) would be out in the galaxy. Some would just let their abilities fade, others would do what they could with their gifts . . . and of course there'd also be charlatans impersonating the latter, which one presumes is what Maarva ran across a decade back.
- More than just that; for a show that's been so very grounded, I like that they're even touching on the mystical side and implying (more than once!) that Cassian is in some way enacting the will of the force, whether he realises it or not.
- Interesting that after last week's fake-out, Cyrill actually really did start to sympathise with the Ghor and see the Empire for what it was. Too late, of course, and even then he couldn't overcome his anger towards Cassian, but he at least got there for a brief moment!
- All joking aside, I was honestly shocked that they took out Cyrill before the final arc! I just assumed his story would conclude with the end of the show, though I suppose now that frees up more time to show Luthan's end, which seems to be inevitable at this point. That it wasn't even Cassian that killed him, and that he didn't even know who the hell this enraged crazy person was feels entirely appropriate. The axe forgets, but the tree remembers!
- The Ghorman massacre itself didn't disappoint. Such a slow, agonising ratcheting up of the tension until all hell breaks loose. My only criticism is that Cassian making off with K-2 felt a little bit out of the blue. Not that it's wholly illogical, but with everything else that was happening it the moment it was a little bit of an awkward inclusion. I fell like it could have been set-up just a little better. (No, I do not lament that one-off comic that showed their first meeting entirely differently, it wasn't very good.)
- The final arc with Mothma's flight from Coruscant was very well done, though again Bail suddenly being a part of the rebellion (from the perspective of those not familiar with the movies etc) is one of those things that's an unfortunate by-product of the compressed storytelling.
- The intersection with 'Rebels' went about how I expected it to; focusing on the flight from Coruscant with only passing reference to Gold Squadron's leg of the journey. Not sure how I feel about the implication that Cassian's role was being erased from the record in favour of something more inspiring for the rallying cry over Dantooine.
There's plenty of nuance there, the difference is that it's subtextual. You have to go looking for the deeper implications, and that's by design. The target audience after all was 12 year olds, so you have to make sure the top layer of the proverbial morality cake is straight-forward and simple to understand. That's how any lesson begins after all; with the basics.
Andor isn't breaking any new ground, it's just building on an already established and solid foundation.
I prefer to assume only the yellow-stripe KXs assigned to the ISB got the expensive armoured chassis, while the red-stripes assigned to the military on Jedah had the cheap, crappy armour. Probably because some Admiral or Moff was skimming off the top . . .
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I did have to chuckle at the stereotypical bad guy facial scar on Kaido. The rest of the show is so great, though, that the "hey, creepy-looking guy in black with a facial scar is definitely evil" trope works perfectly without being too distracting.
That was damn good. Episode 8 really turned up the tension. Syril growing a conscious and a spine was welcome character growth for him. His confronting Dedra was a surprise and I was impressed by how characters came out of it, while plenty of people thought they were play acting a relationship, it really came off that they were both invested and the actions of the other had an impact on them. The fact that Syril didn't come off as a pussy-whipped follower of Dedra was good to see. Was I the only one that noticed the interaction he had with Enza when he tried to get her to leave? I get the impression he and her might have been a thing.
They could've done that without the character venturing into physical domestic abuse which is wrong no matter what. They could've made the point just by having Syril yell at Dedra and then walk out.
I don't think it's so much Syrial growing a conscience but him realizing he's been a pawn all along, that he never held any true importance or was well regarded by those higher up ( which is what he always craved). With Dedra it was even personal, the woman he fell in love with has used him too this entire time.
I think under different circumstances, without the massacre but the reveal that he was used as a pawn he might have even switched sides and defected. Just a few days ago i read an interesting thought online about a possible Andor spinoff with Syrial defecting to the rebels and the new show being him fighting against Dedra, giving the larger fight of Rebels vs. Empire a more personal note. Oh well, it was a nice idea that got shot in the head (pun intended).
Now i truly wonder what the last arc will be about because the main event has happened, will this "just" be clean up and showing us the rebels getting more organized as we build up to the inevitable death of Luthen and Andor going on that fateful missing that will bring him into contact with Jyn Erso?
I think it was important that the physical attack happened for two reason - it goes back to being assaulted on Ferrix ( and being rescued by Syril) and to show how far over the line both have been pushed. Dedra always had this disconnect in her line of work, she never saw the consequences of her actions. For her it was an office job, pitting her intelligence and skill against someone else, especially against the Axis project she was working on that unknown to her was Luthen. She never had to get her hands dirty, never had to personally kill - for her it was always the order of Coruscant with its tidy clothing, clean offices and important meetings.
Ferrix was her first taste of consequences and she only made it because of Syril and now that only human connection she has hates her and it broke her down as shown in a later scene where he has a panic attack when she's confronted with the results of her work.
Indeed!
IMO, Cassian is enacting his own will. And the Force just happened to notice.
Even when the show was just slightly in danger of some slow pacing in the early season's early arcs the show always managed to slowly, deliberately ratchet up the tension bit by bit. This time around was an absolute masterclass.
Like bail's appearances, the K2 business did feel forced. We didn't need to see his origin story and it definitely felt tacked on. Ending such a brutal episode with the cheeky arrival of a wisecracking droid was a minor (and very rare) tonal misstep for the show.
It does feel like Bail's arrival is a little shoehorned in, but, yeah, definitely a result of the compressed episode count. I'm delighted to have him and Bratt's performance was excellent. So good I didn't miss Smits at all (sorry, Jimmy!)
They downplayed "Rebels" as much as they possibly could, which I appreciated. I wish they had just left it as, "she's leaving on a different ship and preparing another speech" and left off how Cassian's participation was being downplayed. Oh, well.
The blasters the Ghormans were using may have been to light.
Not all blasters have the same damage.
She was firing a standard Imperial combat blaster. I don't think most Ghormans at the massacre had anything that good.
