Saavik I vs. Saavik II?

[korblborp]

The crazy part is the sudden disappearance of Carol Marcus is repeated in the Kelvin movies between Into Darkness and Beyond. And as before, she's not even mentioned.

is it sudden? iirc in beyond the enterprise is actually in the tail end of her five year mission at the start, so there's plenty of time for a falling out and separation of ways. although given it's explicitly an alternate universe, they don't *have* to, at least not to the degree they did in the "prime"...

 

[Kor]

Nothing to do with recasting, but a good thing about both Saavik and Valeris, is that they got to have their own hairstyles.

It seemed that from TNG onwards, pretty much every Vulcan had to have the same 'Spock-like' haircut (Tuvok being the obvious exception the rule), as if it was something that defined being a Vulcan.

Romulans, too.
...which is even weirder since their culture is supposed to be so far removed from that of the Vulcans.

Kor

 

[Iamnotspock]

But first impressions linger and I will always think of Saavik as being Kirstie's portrayal. It is a shame that they never elaborated on screen that she was half-Romulan, though I'm not certain if that was scripted, or an added nuance that Vonda McIntyre came up with for the novelization.

Scripted and shot.

 

[ChallengerHK]

I have a fairly vague memory of an interview with Curtis, I think in Starlog. I also think it was before TSFS came out. She was asked how she went about preparing to be a Vulcan, and her answer was something like I went out of my way to learn nothing about Vulcans." I can understand the idea of wanting to make the role her own, at least as far as possible, but that seemed somewhat extreme to me, assuming that my memory is correct.

 

[MarcKle1964]

"I went out of my way to learn nothing about Vulcans." -- Robin Curtis

IIRC, Kirstie was a Trekkie, which explains why she played the role better (IMO). What kind of actor knows nothing about Vulcans in 1984 after 18 years of Trek media saturation and a pair of movies?? Why audition for a part you know nothing about?

 

[ChallengerHK]

What kind of actor knows nothing about Vulcans in 1984 after 18 years of Trek media saturation and a pair of movies??

Not an actor, but didn't JJ Abrams say he took on the Kelvinverse without knowing anything about Star Trek?

 

[MarcKle1964]

Not an actor, but didn't JJ Abrams say he took on the Kelvinverse without knowing anything about Star Trek?

And it showed... I permanently checked out of the Jar-JarVerse when Zachary yelled "Khan!" and then Bones found the MagicBlood. Poorly written Deus Ex Machina.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Why audition for a part you know nothing about?

Actors like paying rent.

 

[BillJ]

Not an actor, but didn't JJ Abrams say he took on the Kelvinverse without knowing anything about Star Trek?

He was a Star Wars fan. Not remembering him not knowing anything about Trek.

 

[CoveTom]

But first impressions linger and I will always think of Saavik as being Kirstie's portrayal. It is a shame that they never elaborated on screen that she was half-Romulan, though I'm not certain if that was scripted, or an added nuance that Vonda McIntyre came up with for the novelization.

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[Ssosmcin]

And let's face it, Valeris' constant "A lie?" refrain in TUC was obviously supposed to be a callback to the "You lied" / "I exaggerated" exchange in TWOK.

Well, it was really a call back to Valeris and Spock's "A lie?" "An error" stall when they were ordered back to Earth by starfleet.

 

[Pauln6]

Well, it was really a call back to Valeris and Spock's "A lie?" "An error" stall when they were ordered back to Earth by starfleet.

It was probably both. It would have worked well for Saavik, if not better.

 

[CoveTom]

Even if it had been Saavik, I feel like TUC was repeating too much from TWOK. The whole thing about questioning Kirk's orders and quoting regulations to him when leaving Spacedock, the exchanges about lying with Spock, etc. It all feels like a rehash of things from TWOK.

 

[Dukhat]

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Saavik and David were introduced inside Regula earlier in the movie. Unless there was a script rewrite, why would Saavik and David only be meeting for the first time right at the end of the film?

 

[CoveTom]

Saavik and David were introduced inside Regula earlier in the movie. Unless there was a script rewrite, why would Saavik and David only be meeting for the first time right at the end of the film?

They weren't meeting. Kirk says "I believe you know David Marcus." But I would imagine that given everything that had gone on up to that point, they'd had little time to interact.

 

[Dukhat]

They weren't meeting. Kirk says "I believe you know David Marcus." But I would imagine that given everything that had gone on up to that point, they'd had little time to interact.

But both of them had lots of interaction while inside the planetoid, and there was zero romantic implications toward either of them. So reintroducing them at the end of the film with some light flirting from out of nowhere seems quite awkward.

 

[CoveTom]

But both of them had lots of interaction while inside the planetoid, and there was zero romantic implications toward either of them. So reintroducing them at the end of the film with some light flirting from out of nowhere seems quite awkward.

Fair enough. Maybe that's why the scene was cut?

 

[Dukhat]

Fair enough. Maybe that's why the scene was cut?

I think the only reason it was filmed was because the original plan was to have Saavik and David as romantic partners in a series of TV movies produced after TWOK (ironic, since Merritt Butrick was gay.) But that idea was scrapped.

 

[CoveTom]

I think the only reason it was filmed was because the original plan was to have Saavik and David as romantic partners in a series of TV movies produced after TWOK (ironic, since Merritt Butrick was gay.) But that idea was scrapped.

Well, this was back when we believed actors could actually portrayed characters different from themselves (e.g., a straight actor playing a gay man, which Patrick Stewart did, or a gay actor playing a straight man, which Merritt Buttrick did) and became, IMHO, overly sensitive about casting "authentic" actors in roles. But I suppose that is a discussion for another time and place.

 

[Dukhat]

Well, this was back when we believed actors could actually portrayed characters different from themselves (e.g., a straight actor playing a gay man, which Patrick Stewart did, or a gay actor playing a straight man, which Merritt Buttrick did) and became, IMHO, overly sensitive about casting "authentic" actors in roles. But I suppose that is a discussion for another time and place.

Yes, that was not remotely the point of my post.