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He does have a theme - orange color, long flowing leather/brown coats and occasionally a kilt.
But we only see those outfits when he's "off duty" and almost never when he's actually running the show.

He has a theme that’s three completely different outfits, with loose colour continuity, and sometimes in the same episode. Thats not a theme, it’s a weekend away suitcase. And he’s always ‘dressed for the occasion’ anyway.
The most Doctorish of the outfits (I.e. in keeping with the loose ‘Edwardian Gentleman’ anachronism that was more a staple of the classic series, but also echoes in the Moffat Era’) was done away with quickly, after the first photoshoots, and then the closest thing to a default we’ve seen in what, three episodes? (Ironically, I’ve skipped both Christmas specials and I believe he wears that in those)

And his hair changes every other episode sometimes. It’s like Kate Kestrel, except she only changed the colour. It’s a bit silly. And old, but not in a ‘he’s really an alien’ way, and more in a ‘the production team’s heads are a bit wobbly’ kind of way.

The Doctor always came under that Einstein/Steve Jobs style — ie. Always basically the same thing.

I dunno. Maybe they are thinking ‘Prince, but orange instead of purple’ or something. Except Prince looked more like a Doctor half the time.
 
Ncuti's ever-changing wardrobe isn't gonna well... change.

Question is, will future Doctors go back to a more uniform look or continue changing their outfits?
 
I hope they do return to a more uniform set of outfits after Ncuti. Not an exaggerated costume with question marks all over it, just a slightly eccentric look that makes the Doctor stand out in any place and time period. Ten and Eleven did it pretty well with a consistent style that wasn't literally the same clothes every week. Thirteen went too far the other way and had me wishing she'd wear a different coat or t-shirt design sometimes.
 
I hope they do return to a more uniform set of outfits after Ncuti. Not an exaggerated costume with question marks all over it, just a slightly eccentric look that makes the Doctor stand out in any place and time period. Ten and Eleven did it pretty well with a consistent style that wasn't literally the same clothes every week. Thirteen went too far the other way and had me wishing she'd wear a different coat or t-shirt design sometimes.

The mistake with Whittaker’s costume was the same thing we see here — if you’re pushing the traditional boundaries of what background/gender is playing the Doctor for the first time, the way to do it is to do *everything else* traditionally. Even more Doctorish than Doctorish. And don’t chicken out. First woman Doctor never wore a skirt — or culottes — and now Ncuti sort-of-kind-of is. Leaning into ‘African’ (or at least, white media workers idea of African, but that’s a different topic…) for Ncuti may also be a mistake — though he is from a Rwandan background, he’s also Black British, and if that’s important from a representation point of view, that’s the focus. I think if I wanted to lean into that at all, I would have gone with something that is both more *obvious* than what they have done (a hat, just like Avery Books did over on Ds9 with Benny) and more subtle than all the only-know-it-from interviews stuff with etchings on sonics and unusual-for-the-Doctor shirts.

First Black Doctor, and he’s not usually dressed in keeping with the tradition before him. In fact, I would have brought back an old tradition for both of them — trying on previous Doctor’s outfits in the Tardis. It’s a way of cementing the character (or its alternative of having some or all of the first story in the predecessor outfit) and makes a useful statement.
It’s a way of dealing with ‘not the Doctor!’ types (aside from you know, actually writing the character like the Doctor, keeping the show the show, and not keeping your popular spare Doctor in a Garden in suburbia as a back up plan…) from the very start.

By doing things differently, there’s an underlying sense of ‘oh we have to do things different because they are x or y’. RTD has never had to best grasp of the costume it’s important anyway — like much else he cleaves to the contemporary. To set patterns, with no sense that he understands anything other than his own view of things. It’s why we always seem to start with a Blonde teen, like the old joke (from the cast from the sixties) that the companion is ‘something for the dads’. Ditto his obsession with soap opera stuff for the companion, which there just isn’t really time for now we’re down to eight episodes.

Anyway, speaking of which, I still haven’t found time to watch this. Ironic, as also haven’t seen Midnight. Never got round to it.
 
You should absolutely watch Midnight first! Not because it's necessary to enjoy this story, I just think Midnight is a really good episode.

I am still not sure why I missed it on transmission. Must have been some sort of family event. I never got round to going back to it either, whereas I don’t think I ever missed an episode of Smith. I remember watching the finale of his first season on an iPod touch in a cafe halfway down the world while the football was on the screens in the place. I think I bought it on iTunes as soon as it went live because I was out of the country. Last time I was so determined to watch the show tbh.
 
You regularly watch Doctor Who and you still haven't seen an episode that aired seventeen years ago?

It took me twenty (edit… ten. Not twenty. Maths fail. Probably about 12 years.) years to see the opening of Battlefield. My VhS recorder missed the opening, so until I got the DVD (maybe the VHS) mine started with Zbrigniev and Bambera having a chat. The amazing part is how *I still managed to miss it on the repeats*. It’s more than a little possible I don’t remember viewing everything of it I watched under seven. And a huge chunk of my experience of other stories is limited by what I got on VHS in my teen years, DVD in my twenties, and what I had in Target books. Other notable examples include the Sontaran Experiment. Not seen, not read. Synopsis from various sources only. I fall asleep trying to catch on iPlayer sometimes… but I’ve finally seen, rather than read, most of The Face of Evil recently.

But that’s a very traditional way to experience Who. We didn’t have catchup in my day, whippersnapper. XD

I’m just maintaining the purity of the Who watching experience.
(And I always make an effort not to make judgement as though claiming to have seen something I haven’t. The two Ncuti Christmas Specials contain elements I am very… sensitive to. So I won’t watch them. I won’t judge them either, beyond facts and snippets I *have* seen.)

(Extra edit: I skipped most of Capaldi’s last season after the kid went through the ice. I just didn’t care for it, nor the show at that point. It got really good, if far far too dark for my tastes in places, if still well written as I found when I caught up, possibly out of habit after a few weeks. I skipped all of Jodie’s first season between the Ghost Monument and The Battle of Ravioli Colossus, or whatever it was called, due to a variety of things that partially included simply not caring, just like with Capaldi. I only caught up with the middle part of her next season after Villa. Since then, I have only watched when people insist I do so. I have been spared Space Babies and the ninety percent of Devils Chord that wasn’t still on when we turned on Eurovision. I think my wife insists I watch because it’s a sort of empathetic Schadenfreude after she watched Game of Throne go down the pan. I have no idea how it compares — game of thrones was too fucking grim for me to waste my time on.)
 
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You regularly watch Doctor Who and you still haven't seen an episode that aired seventeen years ago?
I've seen every existing episode of classic and modern Doctor Who from 1963 to now, plus a few that don't exist like Shada.

But I haven't gotten around to watching The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe yet.
 
I've seen every existing episode of classic and modern Doctor Who from 1963 to now, plus a few that don't exist like Shada.

But I haven't gotten around to watching The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe yet.

I remember it as vaguely interesting visually, but it didn’t make much of an impact on me. Sort of… Doctor Who meets Nesbit.
 
We have at least one regular poster in this forum who has never seen a single episode of the modern show.

That’s commitment. Missing out, true, but at the same time I can see how a person might choose to stick with the memory as was. If there’s one thing that has been thrown into sharp relief by the most recent stuff, it’s how different the two era’s are, even when they are trying to bring it more in line with the past.
 
I'd much rather see them changing outfits to actually to fit the era they're in than constantly wearing the same outfit no matter what. I know it's tradition for The Doctor to have their signature outfit, but the best way to keep things interesting, and to keep a show alive for 20+ years is to break with tradition and change things up from time to time. The quickest way to kill a show or franchise is to insist on continuing to do things the same no matter what, that's what killed the 80s-00s Trek. Even as the rest of the shows around them were changing, they still kept doing the same thing for the last 20 years.
 
I'd much rather see them changing outfits to actually to fit the era they're in than constantly wearing the same outfit no matter what. I know it's tradition for The Doctor to have their signature outfit, but the best way to keep things interesting, and to keep a show alive for 20+ years is to break with tradition and change things up from time to time. The quickest way to kill a show or franchise is to insist on continuing to do things the same no matter what, that's what killed the 80s-00s Trek. Even as the rest of the shows around them were changing, they still kept doing the same thing for the last 20 years.

Who has been changing since 66 at the least. Some things you need to keep for it to still be the same show.
 
Bring back true historicals or we'll riot! (just kidding)
You're kidding but I'm not!

Everytime it seems like we're close to a true historical, I feel disappointed when aliens show up. I think my biggest disappointment in recent time was "The Witchfinders" where I strongly believe the episode would've worked not just fine, but better without an alien presence.

But, alas, I fully realize I'm in the minority so I'll get off my soapbox now.
 
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You're kidding but I'm not!

Everytime it seems like we're close to a true historical, I feel disappointed when aliens show up. I think the biggest disappointment in recent time was "The Witchfinders" where I strongly believe the episode would've worked not just fine, but better without an alien presence.

But, alas, I fully realize I'm in the minority so ill get off my soapbox.

I dunno. Seems a good time for a more accurate portrayal of the suez crisis.
 
You're kidding but I'm not!

Everytime it seems like we're close to a true historical, I feel disappointed when aliens show up. I think my biggest disappointment in recent time was "The Witchfinders" where I strongly believe the episode would've worked not just fine, but better without an alien presence.

But, alas, I fully realize I'm in the minority so I'll get off my soapbox now.
I’d quite like to see pure historical adventures too
 
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