What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Lord Garth]

ENT Seasons 1 and 2: "Starfleet isn't the military!"
ENT Seasons 3 and 4: "Starfleet isn't the military, but we've got MACOs!"
TOS: "Starfleet is the military!"
TNG: "Starfleet isn't the military!"
DS9 through PIC: "Don't ask, don't tell."

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Alright so we've established that Starfleet serves the purpose of a military without being a direct analogue to any existing military in real life. They use some of the terminology and structure of a military, but many officers (and writers) don't think of the organisation as a military, and the distinction is important to them.

Is there anything specific people can't agree on?

 

[DarrenTR1970]

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Quick summary - the Japanese military/navy had extremely rigid caste system on their ships prior to, and during World War II, that didn't allow for cross training. If the damage control party was wiped out during an attack on a vessel, no one else would run to pick up the fire hose to put out the fire or pick up a hammer to shore up the bulkhead because that wasn't their job and they weren't trained to do it. The Japanese started cross-training towards the end of the war, but by then it was too late.

The US Navy also started the war with a hierarchal system but quickly transitioned to 'next man up', and everyone onboard received training in damage control. There's another video on his website about Admiral Raymond A. Spruance grabbing a fire hose and helping put out a fire onboard his flagship after it was struck by a bomb because he happened to be nearest the fire hose when the bomb struck. You wouldn't see something like that in the Japanese Navy with Admiral Yamamoto.​

 

[HotRod]

And the only reason she didn't survive the Dominion War was because of the Breen energy dissipators. It got EVERY ship killed. (Except for that one lucky Bird of Prey that happened to tinker with the engine just before the Second Battle of Chin'toka.)

Excuses, excuses. I'm sure the Romulans tried some tricky shit during the war and the NX-01 still made it through.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Is there anything specific people can't agree on?

Which letters should be capitalized and which ones shouldn't be.

 

[BillJ]

Alright so we've established that Starfleet serves the purpose of a military without being a direct analogue to any existing military in real life. They use some of the terminology and structure of a military, but many officers (and writers) don't think of the organisation as a military, and the distinction is important to them.

Is there anything specific people can't agree on?

I guess, for me, it is a military because Starfleet continues to handle the same duties as modern and historical militaries. Is there anything one can point to, that Starfleet does that wasn't the function of traditional militaries at one point or another?

 

[cooleddie74]

Even diplomacy can fall into the purview of militaries, since soldiers are in many instances the ones at negotiating tables to end wars.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Even things which hadn't been invented yet are just outgrowths of their historical equivalents.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Trek is whatever the producers say it is at any given moment. If that aligns with our personal worldview then it's how we'd make Star Trek. If not, then, well you get the last 50 pages of this thread.

What happens if they make a "Star Trek: Section 31" TV series.

A proper one w/o Michelle Yeoh.

 

[cooleddie74]

I hope not.

Sweet Kahless, I hope that doesn't happen.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

What happens if they make a "Star Trek: Section 31" TV series.

A proper one w/o Michelle Yeoh.

What happens if monkeys fly out of my butt?

 

[BillJ]

What happens if they make a "Star Trek: Section 31" TV series.

A proper one w/o Michelle Yeoh.

I think the nail is pretty well driven into the Section 31 coffin.

 

[cooleddie74]

The fact it even had to happen so we can bury the concept is bad enough.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

The fact it even had to happen so we can bury the concept is bad enough.

But what happens if they want to go back to the well one more time?

 

[cooleddie74]

Then I won't watch.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Then I won't watch.

What happens if it succeeds and becomes popular?

 

[BillJ]

What happens if it succeeds and becomes popular?

Who cares? That 16% fan score on Rotten Tomatoes should dissuade Paramount from committing any more money to it.

 

[cooleddie74]

What happens if it succeeds and becomes popular?

Then I still won't care.

Harry Potter movies were huge global box office. I didn't care one bit. In fact, I care even less now.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

If it's about Bashir leading a team of spies to hunt down Section 31 operatives so they can be put on trial, I'd watch it in a heartbeat.

 

[BillJ]

Then I still won't care.

Harry Potter movies were huge global box office. I didn't care one bit. In fact, I care even less now.

Paramount epically shit the bed with Section 31. It'll be a long time before we hear about it again.