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What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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SF DEBRIS commentary is still my favorite:No way Bones wasn’t partying with that medallion around his neck.
Chuck: Anyway, I suppose as we see Kirk head off, it's a good time to comment on how the updated ship is an improvement, despite overdoing the beige a little bit. They've clearly gone out of their way with all the stuff to not have that sixties era feel to it. Instead, be a timeless piece that— (McCoy shows up on the transporter dressed in what can best be described as a Bee Gees ensemble) What the hell? (disco music plays) I'm not sure, this might be Grizzly Adams, and he seems to have the headpiece to the staff of Ra around his neck.
Here's a controversial topic....
Which ship better deserves the moniker Tough Little Ship?
USS DEFIANT NX-74204
Or
ENTERPRISE NX-01
Now obviously we're not pitting them against each other in a fight. The Defiant is hundreds of years more advanced and is considered a warship. The NX-01 wouldn't stand a chance. But within their individual eras, which ship is the better example of a well built Starship that could stand up to some pretty serious punishment?
I personally would argue on the side of the NX-01. We saw that little Starship take one hell of a beating, time after time. But she kept going. With the possible exception of Voyager in Year of Hell, we've never seen a Starship take the kind of beating the NX-01 took. She is the perfect exemplification of the phrase. "They don't make them like they used to." And she seemingly did it all without shields! She also managed to survive a war in one piece, which is more than her competition can say.
Which ship better deserves the moniker Tough Little Ship?
USS DEFIANT NX-74204
Or
ENTERPRISE NX-01
Now obviously we're not pitting them against each other in a fight. The Defiant is hundreds of years more advanced and is considered a warship. The NX-01 wouldn't stand a chance. But within their individual eras, which ship is the better example of a well built Starship that could stand up to some pretty serious punishment?
I personally would argue on the side of the NX-01. We saw that little Starship take one hell of a beating, time after time. But she kept going. With the possible exception of Voyager in Year of Hell, we've never seen a Starship take the kind of beating the NX-01 took. She is the perfect exemplification of the phrase. "They don't make them like they used to." And she seemingly did it all without shields! She also managed to survive a war in one piece, which is more than her competition can say.
Space Cocaine is a StoVoKor of a drug.
NX -01 and it's not even close.Here's a controversial topic....
Which ship better deserves the moniker Tough Little Ship?
USS DEFIANT NX-74204
Or
ENTERPRISE NX-01
Now obviously we're not pitting them against each other in a fight. The Defiant is hundreds of years more advanced and is considered a warship. The NX-01 wouldn't stand a chance. But within their individual eras, which ship is the better example of a well build Starship that could stand up to some pretty serious punishment?
I personally would argue on the side of the NX-01. We saw that little Starship take one hell of a beating, time after time. But she kept going. With the possible exception of Voyager in Year of Hell, we've never seen a Starship take the kind of beating the NX-01 took. She is the perfect exemplification of the phrase. "They don't make them like they used to." And she seemingly did it all without shields! She also managed to survive a war in one piece, which is more than her competition can say.
Defiant.
he had a McDonald's coffee stirrer and a long fingernail too.That medallion was there solely to hold Bones stash of cocaine.
I still think Disco McCoy was the best dressed character in TMP. he was OUTTA SIGHT, ya dig?
According to the TOS Writers Guide from 1967, Starfleet was semi-military during TOS.
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Is the starship U.S.S. Enterprise a military vessel?
Yes, but only semi-military in practice -- omitting features which are heavily authoritarian. For example, we are not aware of "officers" and "enlisted men" categories. And we avoid saluting and other annoying medieval leftovers. On the other hand, we do keep a flavor of naval usage and terminology to help encourage believability and identification by the audience. After all, our own Navy today still retains remnants of tradition known to Nelson and Drake.
According to the TNG Writers/Directors Guide from 1987, Starfleet wasn't the military during TNG.Page 39-40:
STARFLEET
The Enterprise is a Starfleet vessel. It operates under the aegis of the United Federation of Planets.
Starfleet is not a military organization. It is a scientific research and diplomatic body.
Although the duties of the Enterprise may include some military responsibilities, the primary purpose of the Enterprise -- as with all Starfleet vessels -- is to expand the body of human knowledge. (See the Mission Orders at the beginning of this document.)
In practice this means our armaments and militarism have been de-emphasized over the previous series and very much de-emphasized over the movies. We will not see saluting. We may hear the word "sir", but it is extended as the same kind of courtesy used by junior and senior officers on civilian airliners. It is traditional, however, to use ship's ranks on the bridge, an acknowledgement of the naval heritage of Starfleet.
My takeaway from this is that Starfleet during the TOS Era was considered the military. During the TNG Era, Starfleet was no longer considered the military. So, the way Starfleet was considered changed. Every series after TNG has gone back-and-forth between those two points-of-view.
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The Defiant.Here's a controversial topic....
Which ship better deserves the moniker Tough Little Ship?
USS DEFIANT NX-74204
Or
ENTERPRISE NX-01
Now obviously we're not pitting them against each other in a fight. The Defiant is hundreds of years more advanced and is considered a warship. The NX-01 wouldn't stand a chance. But within their individual eras, which ship is the better example of a well built Starship that could stand up to some pretty serious punishment?
I personally would argue on the side of the NX-01. We saw that little Starship take one hell of a beating, time after time. But she kept going. With the possible exception of Voyager in Year of Hell, we've never seen a Starship take the kind of beating the NX-01 took. She is the perfect exemplification of the phrase. "They don't make them like they used to." And she seemingly did it all without shields! She also managed to survive a war in one piece, which is more than her competition can say.
And the only reason she didn't survive the Dominion War was because of the Breen energy dissipators. It got EVERY ship killed. (Except for that one lucky Bird of Prey that happened to tinker with the engine just before the Second Battle of Chin'toka.)
(Also, I firmly believe the NX-01 was a very tough and sturdy ship. But my heart will side with the Defiant. As a Niner... can I really choose differently?
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I'm not a fan of the "Non-Fraternizing" Policy or the division, but I understand the need for Professionalism in the workplace, but there are levels to Fraternization that should be allowed.
But given the concept of Officer vs Enlisted came from the real world Military, it doesn't surprise me that this type of policy is cloned into the fictional universe.
Even StarFleet had some policies against Fraternization to some degree.
Or we can simplify it all and have one rank structure and not copy old Earth Western Military Traditions.
It works and it works well. That is why it has been pretty much unchanged in western militaries for hundreds of years.
No point fixing what isn't broken.
Not everyone wants to be an officer either.
As I've stated before, there are others who disagree with that notion.
Even IRL regarding the structuring of the Military Forces.
What's so bad about being a Officer?
Why is it that nearly every main character in StarFleet is a "StarFleet Officer".
It's rare that we hear about "StarFleet Enlisted".
If the point of the show is focus on "StarFleet Officer's" as the main characters, then we might as well merge the two hierarchies into one.
We can change that. We're not bound to old Earth Traditions, especially a service that has so many Alien Members inside.
Simplicity is better than complexity.
Having one rank structure is better than having two Parallel ones.
Short of Mile's O'Brien, nearly every show has focused on StarFleet Officers outside of Aliens/Civilian characters.
It would work for the show if we unify the structure since Enlisted Servicemen won't get talked about.
Not everyone wants the stress and responsibility.
Watching Lower Decks, it doesn't look so bad.
Because people want to be where the action and decision making are at. Drama.
None of the Star Trek production teams have wanted to change it, or else it would've been changed. This is one of those things that you'll have to learn, most aren't interested in reinventing the wheel.
Which is why I've suggested before that you create your own universe.
That's not hard to do, Trek already does it.
It worked in all of Trek, even Lower Decks.
I've told you before, I don't want to.
I like the Trek Universe, I'm fine here.
If weird FTL drives like Spore Drives can be brought into the Trek World.
I don't see what's so controversial about merging Officers & Enlisted.
That's like saying Spore Drives are less crazy than having a simplier Hierarchical structure.
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