What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Nerys Myk]

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Yeah, he does change the shoulder pin, yet switched to Command white for his shirt!

He's back to being a Captain in TFF and TUC


Still wears the white shirt when in the vest though

 

[Tallguy]

Still wears the white shirt when in the vest though

Clearly this is an indication of his ambivalence towards being in leadership.

 

[BillJ]

Clearly this is an indication of his ambivalence towards being in leadership.

Clearly an indicator that someone in costuming was asleep!

Where would he even get commander’s bars at? He was wearing captain’s pins when they left Spacedock.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Clearly an indicator that someone in costuming was asleep!

Same mistake over three movies!!!

 

[BillJ]

He does identify himself as Captain Montgomery Scott in “Relics”.

 

[Firebird]

I'm not expecting her to become a "Expert" of any sort.
But to recognize problems and prevent it from getting worst.
She accomplished the 1st Half of the problem by recognizing that the problem is there.
She didn't delve into it sooner or investigate it deeper by talking with Larkin more.
The way she talked to him made him rebel.
Her people skills with him specifically could be attributed to what caused him to go crazy and rogue by performing the genetic modifications on the Tribbles.


She did one half of the work, recognizing the problem.
She didn't do the other half, either securing the problem and locking him down properly.
Or have a genuine heart to heart talk with him and try to resolve the issue at a deeper level.
Either way, we know the end result, but her attitude with him along with the willingness to shovel him elsewhere didn't help the situation.
In fact, it exacerbated the situation until it became a catastrophe.

There's no way you can expect somebody to react to their superior officer in a positive way with the way she treated Larkin.
It's her job to manage people at the end of the day, and she failed by not handling the situation better.


How many StarFleet Captains have you heard of that loses a ship within days of becoming Captain due to something she could've dealt with?

It's not often that a Captain loses a ship that soon, it makes the news & history.

Ignoring the fact that this is way overthinking a comedic short film that guaranteed was going for the joke rather than plausibility, I can tell you've never been in a position of management or leadership.

 

[BillJ]

“The Trouble with Edward” is probably the most entertaining piece of CBS Trek.

Not sure how serious we were supposed to take it?

Also not sure what other options Captain Lucerno had regarding Larkin? She ordered him to stop experimenting with Tribbles, she set up a transfer to move him off the Cabot. He proceeded anyway.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

She became aware of the problem when she learned he sent a letter of complaint to Starfleet Command accusing her of being stupid just because she disagreed with him. At that point he had already rebelled against her and she did everything protocol allowed her to do to deal with the situation. This is not a reflection of her people skills, but rather his arrogance.

And she chose not to address the complaint by talking to him directly, instead she wanted to shovel him off to be "Somebody else's problem".

She could've talked more with him, debate him about the complaints.

Because at that stage she had no grounds to do so.

Going behind your superiors back should trigger suspicion and be more than enough to justify locking him away from his science station.

Edward was the one who launched a smear campaign against Lucero by reporting her as "stupid" to her superiors without justification. She was well within her rights to have such an officer removed from her ship for that, as that is a rather blatant form of disrespect. Such a person doesn't deserve a hear to heart to sort through the issues.

And because he wasn't talked to / listened to, she lost a StarShip in a few days and that caused a ecological catastrophe.

The fact that Edward then escalated the situation afterwards is his own fault, not a reflection of Lucero's lack of leadership or people skills. She handled the situation about as well as she could within the guidelines of Starfleet regulations and protocols, as she did everything she was allowed to do.

Do you think the rest of the StarFleet Admiralty / Brass is going to care about the circumstances.
Her career as Captain is Toast and is going to make the record books for all the wrong reasons.
I'm sure there are more things she could do, this seems like a easily avoid-able event that didn't have to turn into a AstroPolitical Incident that eventually will affect the Klingon Empire.

Ignoring the fact that this is way overthinking a comedic short film that guaranteed was going for the joke rather than plausibility, I can tell you've never been in a position of management or leadership.

How would you have solved this issue and prevent it from becoming a AstroPolitical crisis?
If you were put into her shoes as Captain of the Cabot and had to deal with Larkin?

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Yes. "Any chance to go aboard the Enterprise, however briefly, is always an excuse for nostalgia" is a horribly written line, and Takei's stilted delivery didn't help.

And if Takei thinks that was a scene about Sulu's promotion, he's fooling himself. It's a throwaway line that was only there in the first place to enhance Kirk's character arc, and the fact that it cut so easily out of the movie proves that it wasn't essential.

Somehow, Takei spent decades spewing the lie about the merits of that deleted scene, as if was going to guarantee some fantasized "Captain Sulu" spinoff.

Agreed. It used to be a cute bit, and now it's just sad and beyond tiresome. Oh, so the guy was short with you six decades ago? Get the fuck over it.

You are not kidding. It might be marginally understandable if Takei was a series regular who had to share a majority of scenes with someone who did not treat him fairly or, there was tension (e.g. Vivian Vance's mistreatment by William Frawley, et al.), but Takei was a day player and never mistreated. He was not one of the stars, nor did he have the lion's share of the burdens stemming from being a series lead.

Yeah, that was the last straw for me. I stopped following Takei and muted him on social media after that.

Unfortunately, his behavior and long-debunked fantasies have been and are still encouraged. Being a bitter, career failure (where one of the biggest media franchises in history is concerned), and propagandist will be his true legacy.

100% agree. Kelley earned his place in the Big Three by sheer talent. And Shatner and Nimoy are definitely the best actors in the TOS company. If they hadn't become famous for Star Trek, they likely would've become famous for something else. I don't think you can say that about the others.

Undoubtedly.

There was just no need for it. ‘Boldly going where others have gone before’ or cries of ‘it’s not really space’.

FFS, the dude (Takei) is in his 80s. A little maturity and dignity would go a long way.

He does not need to ever mature or hold himself accountable for waging a decades-long campaign of hatred when many among the mainstream professional and social media support his self-defeating BS by continuing to set cameras in front of him.

Shatner comes out of the whole thing way better by just generally rolling his eyes and laughing it off.

It’s pathetic. Truly.

Indeed, and that has been his situation for decades.

Those who are IRL Operators / Security / Military Types usually aren't the most "Intellectual Types".

A grossly incorrect stereotype, and as TNG's origins illustrate, one its producers agreed with considering the perception of Worf, the half-trained Bigfoot / pet who offered no intellectual contribution, and his co-workers never treated him with an expectation of ever having one.

^

Interesting opinion.

Indeed.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

“The Trouble with Edward” is probably the most entertaining piece of CBS Trek.

Not sure how serious we were supposed to take it?

Also not sure what other options Captain Lucerno had regarding Larkin? She ordered him to stop experimenting with Tribbles, she set up a transfer to move him off the Cabot. He proceeded anyway.

Lock away all his experiments and his station.
Revoke any Command Authorization that Larkin might've had.
Confine him to his quarters under Monitored Armed Guard.
If he breaks out, throw him in The Brigg

 

[BillJ]

And she chose not to address the complaint by talking to him directly, instead she wanted to shovel him off to be "Somebody else's problem".

He was experimenting on what could be intelligent creatures to create a food source and was eating them. I imagine he was probably violating multiple Federation laws.

On top of that, they were on what was described as a very important mission. Larkin was a distraction, she was removing the distraction.

She could've talked more with him, debate him about the complaints.

Captains don’t debate once they’ve issued an order.

 

[BillJ]

Lock away all his experiments and his station.
Revoke any Command Authorization that Larkin might've had.
Confine him to his quarters under Monitored Armed Guard.
If he breaks out, throw him in The Brigg

Because the first course of action when dealing with someone is to just lock them away?

 

[Firebird]

Captains don’t debate once they’ve issued an order.

This, right here. Starfleet operates like a military hierarchy, and in that setup, your CO makes a decision and gives the order. That is not up for discussion or qualification. You're a junior officer, and you perform the order you're given by your CO.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

He was experimenting on what could be intelligent creatures to create a food source and was eating them. I imagine he was probably violating multiple Federation laws.

Maybe, but he was doing it to solve a food shortage issue in other places.

On top of that, they were on what was described as a very important mission. Larkin was a distraction, she was removing the distraction.

And that cost her the ship & created a AstroPolitical crisis.

Captains don’t debate once they’ve issued an order.

If this was a Pure military Service, sure, I can understand that Mentality.

But StarFleet isn't Pure Military, it's a Hybrid service.

Some latitude should be allowed.

You're dealing with Scientists, not just a grunt serving on the front line of a war zone in the middle of combat.

Because the first course of action when dealing with someone is to just lock them away?

Depends on the situation, in this case, it would've prevented the loss of a ship and stop the AstroPolitical Crisis from even happening.

This, right here. Starfleet operates like a military hierarchy, and in that setup, your CO makes a decision and gives the order. That is not up for discussion or qualification. You're a junior officer, and you perform the order you're given by your CO.

StarFleet is a "Hybrid Service", it isn't pure military all the time.

There is latitude in talking things out, opening things up to debate.

 

[Firebird]

There is latitude in talking things out, opening things up to debate.

Not when it’s command decisions that affect the functions and safety of the vessel. A starship is not an office.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Not when it’s command decisions that affect the functions and safety of the vessel. A starship is not an office.

They were on a "Science Mission", not a "Combat Patrol".
They weren't even in combat at all, no where near close.

It's as close to a "Office Environment" in outter space as you can get.

 

[BillJ]

They were on a "Science Mission", not a "Combat Patrol".
They weren't even in combat at all, no where near close.

It's as close to a "Office Environment" in outter space as you can get.

They were on a science mission that could involve Klingons.

So, no office in space.

 

[Tallguy]

Starfleet operates like a military hierarchy, and in that setup, your CO makes a decision and gives the order.

So like. I mean like just like really like.

They were on a "Science Mission", not a "Combat Patrol".
They weren't even in combat at all, no where near close.

It's as close to a "Office Environment" in outter space as you can get.

I wonder how Starfleet makes the distinction. "Look, you nerds on Psi 2500. You only kind have to follow orders, chain of command, that kind of thing. It's not like you're on the Lexington. Those folks have to be buttoned DOWN."

Then when Captain Kirk shows up with Klingons AND Romulans hot on his tail and needs the help of actual Starfleet they're all "We don't have to listen to YOU Mister Man!"

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

They were on a science mission that could involve Klingons.

So, no office in space.

It only involved Klingons because their screw up, the Tribble incident, kept on spreading/multiplying until it spread to Klingon territory since they were near the edge of Klingon territory.

I wonder how Starfleet makes the distinction. "Look, you nerds on Psi 2500. You only kind have to follow orders, chain of command, that kind of thing. It's not like you're on the Lexington. Those folks have to be buttoned DOWN."

Then when Captain Kirk shows up with Klingons AND Romulans hot on his tail and needs the help of actual Starfleet they're all "We don't have to listen to YOU Mister Man!"

They seem to manage to talk to each others as Professionals w/o having to do the heavy saluting all the time or all the formalities except for ceremonial occaisions.

They're not too loosey goosey, but they manage to be Professional enough while being "Business Casual".

Heck you saw what Deanna Troi wore for most of the early TNG seasons before wearing a proper Uniform.

 

[BillJ]

It only involved Klingons because their screw up, the Tribble incident, kept on spreading/multiplying until it spread to Klingon territory since they were near the edge of Klingon territory.

It is mentioned at the beginning of the short before the Tribbles were known of.

I also wonder why the previous captain and XO are receiving no blowback when Larkin was operating under their noses...