Which doesn’t make a lick of sense when the Galaxy is supposed to last a century with regular refits.
Enterprise-A Questions
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Which doesn’t make a lick of sense when the Galaxy is supposed to last a century with regular refits.
Refits which it wasn't getting, and StarFleet found "Shiny New StarShip Classes" to put their Time/Effort into along with new tech.
Some StarShip classes won't make it because StarFleet found the "Shiny New Toy" to work on.
The Enterprise-D had not been given any refits as it was to be a museum piece and long-term project by LaForge. There may be other Galaxy-class starships out there, or even some upgraded to Ross-class standards, but the Enterprise was not upgraded more than whatever upgrades the USS Syracuse had prior to being salvaged by LaForge. That the Syracuse doesn't have upper phasers on the nacelles it didn't have the combat upgrades like USS Venture.
It's not about the ship, it's about the name. The Enterprise-D defeated the Borg. They could have recommissioned the ship solely for ceremonial sake and not rename another ship that had no real good reason to be renamed.
That design is incredibly stupid and makes no logical sense.
I already know what Matalas's motives were.
And yet Starfleet still has hundreds of brand-new ships despite any loss of production from the loss of Utopia Planitia. It's almost like...wait for it...a changed premise from season 1 to season 3.
That is even more of a waste of time.
Terry Matalas doesn't give a shit what I think.
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One thing I recently learned listening to 'The Unauthorized History of the Pacific War' podcast, is that the United States Navy and Army were going to be running into some serious manpower shortages if the war with Japan continued into mid-1946; if the invasion of Japan had gone ahead as planned for Oct-Nov 1945, and the casualty figures were correct.
The United States had the ships and equipment, but finding men to operate them was in short supply.
Yes, the war in Europe and the Atlantic had ended, but those soldiers and sailors were being brought home and demoralized.
The US military wasn't about to send them halfway across the Pacific to fight again.
There was serious talk amongst the upper ranks of the military to lower the recruitment age to 16 and hold a massive draft and take every able bodied male right out of high school.
The United States had the ships and equipment, but finding men to operate them was in short supply.
Yes, the war in Europe and the Atlantic had ended, but those soldiers and sailors were being brought home and demoralized.
The US military wasn't about to send them halfway across the Pacific to fight again.
There was serious talk amongst the upper ranks of the military to lower the recruitment age to 16 and hold a massive draft and take every able bodied male right out of high school.
I like this theory but I would ammend it slightly as such.
If we want to assume that the E-A was not a renamed ship (and thus would not tarnish another ships history) then it could be that the E-A began lift as a new build.
After the 1701s succesful rebuild in 2271-2273 Starfleet decided to build new "Constitution II" ships. However after completing only one hull (which to suit needs we could say was named "Ti-Ho") the plan to build new Constitutions was scrapped in favor of the emerging Excelsior Program.
THe Ti-Ho Hull was only partially completed and for the next decade served as a testbed for the Excelsior program.
In 2286, needing a replacement for the recently destroyed 1701, Ti-Ho was completed and recommissioned 1701-A. This might explain Scotty's line about it being a new ship: the hull was a decade old but only partially completed.
The Main Bridge, Battle Bridge, Engineering, Sickbay, Junior Officer's Quarters, Shuttlebay, and Stellar Cartography all got upgrades over the course of the show, so this is demonstrably false.
Additionally, it is outright said in the show that the Enterprise has gotten refits on these occasions:
Main Computer - Datalore
Full Ship - Family
This makes zero sense from an operational standpoint and also has no basis in anything we've seen on screen.
Those were during the Enterprises operational life time.
But what about the other Galaxy Class StarShips?
We don't see too many of them post Nemesis.
How often do we see the other Galaxy class StarShips post Nemesis?
Especially compared to other StarShip Classes that have come to take their place?
You're moving goalposts.
How many were destroyed during the Dominion War? How many were destroyed during the Synth Attack on Mars? How many were destroyed in other skirmishes or weird space shit over the years?
The Federation has had several massively destructive events impacting their starship complement.
Production-wise? After Nemesis, we didn't revisit the 24th century again until Picard season 1, so there's a 20 year gap of stuff we don't know about.
My Goal Posts was always talking about it post "Generations" after the USS Enterprise-D went down, I was more focused on the other Galaxy Classes.
There was no moving of Goal Posts, it was always in a different field from what you interpreted my Goal Posts to be at.
Other than the Dominion War Re-Fit where they added extra Phaser Arrays on top of the Warp Nacelles.
I haven't seen much change to the Galaxy Class.
Not sure, if I'm a betting man > 1. Poor USS Odyssey.
Unknown, there was never a detailed casualty list of StarShips.
Unknown.
Other than the Synth Attack, nothing was ever talked about or even hinted at.
ST:LD (2380-2382) & ST:PRO (2383-2385) cover that era before ST:PIC S1 (2399-2402) but post Nemesis (2379).
So there are 3x Shows that play within that 20 year time frame.
Note that the changes I pointed out were internal, not external. Just because the hull doesn't change doesn't mean the ship wasn't having continual upgrades and refits.
Season 1 of Prodigy ends with the fleet incurring massive damage on itself. I don't recall seeing many Galaxy-class ships there.
Likewise with Lower Decks, I don't recall seeing many Galaxy-class ships there either.
Fair enough, but I wasn't focused on the internal changes, I didn't even think about them until you brought it up.
I was thinking about large external changes like the ReFit Connie. And the Dominion War ReFit version where there are Phaser Arrays on top of the Warp Nacelles are the closest things to a "Re-Fit" that we ever saw.
After that, we didn't really even see other Galaxy Classes in operation after that time period.
Either have I.
That's why I agree with Certifiably InGame that the "Ross Class" must've taken the role of the "Galaxy Class" due to all the technological improvements that came with Voyagers Return along with all the local technological developments combined.
They just cut their losses on the existing StarShip Frames and closed the production line or adapted it for the "Ross Class".
Sadly, that's the best that we have given that we didn't have much more info on it other than a Cameo in ST:PIC.
My theory (discounting the STO lore, of which I am unaware) is that the Ross-class came about after they realized the Galaxy-class was so damned useful close to home there was no chance they'd ever actually go on their ten year missions of exploration that they were built for, so the designers/shipyards responsible for the Sovereign, Akira, and other ships of that style were commissioned to develop a lower-cost version of the Galaxy in the mid-TNG years, when Starfleet Operations realized that they'd accidentally built a ship that was too effective to be sent on its intended mission. Something that had most of the bells and whistles and flexibility, but wasn't designed to operate entirely unsupported for a decade-plus, and would instead be on normal patrols and missions in and around the Federation, freeing up the actual Galaxies to boldly go where no one had gone before™, which is why we didn't see any in PIC: They were all in deep, deep, deep space, like they were always supposed to be.
Please stop using that non-word! Once, I can overlook, but you were using it A LOT.I like the idea that the Galaxies were all still out there, but I still think the Ross is butt-ugly and a poor replacement for the Galaxy.
I kind of prefer it, except for the weird round-peg-in-an-oval-hole deflector. I really like the round saucer, it reminds me of the legally-not-that-Enterprise from Rescue!.
Okay, I guess my spell checker didn't catch it.
I see what you did there.
