Spoilers Andor - Season 2
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Oh, no! You're right!!!!!!!!!Lastly, the bastards left poor B2EMO behind!
I was a little iffy after the first episode, despite some terrific individual moments. The opening scene with the nervous turncoat mechanic was sublime.
But as a three-parter, Andor once again proves itself to be the champ. My only real critique is that I could have done with a lot less of the jungle-dwelling, Rochambeau-playing morons. That smacked a little of filler to me.
But the rest was terrific. And a doubly-tragic end to round out the arc.
Can't wait for next week!
But as a three-parter, Andor once again proves itself to be the champ. My only real critique is that I could have done with a lot less of the jungle-dwelling, Rochambeau-playing morons. That smacked a little of filler to me.
But the rest was terrific. And a doubly-tragic end to round out the arc.
Can't wait for next week!
Genevieve O’Reilly is really good, isn’t she? I was particularly wowed by her reaction to Leida’s response to Mon offering her an out.
Good for you. Nice thinking.Sorry, Tony, I sussed it was Yavin from the first shot.
Not good for you. It was obvious she knew what was happening.
*Dedra
Or we riot.
Fantastic opening, and I'm honestly so glad they're releasing these a whole arc at a time. I think one-by-one would have been a little too frustrating, given how little actually happens per episode. That's just in terms of plot progression of course; in terms of character and theme though, each episode is jam packed and very eloquently weaves all the various threads together.
Speaking of weaves; it's kind of fascinating how they've extrapolated all of Chandrilan culture from one braided costume piece on Caroline Blakiston's costume for 'Return of the Jedi'. The braids aren't just decorative, they're a symbol of Chandrilan customs, rituals, and faith in the Elder. I always appreciate when Star Wars takes the time to get into that kind of deep world building, even if it's mostly just implied.
As darkly comedic as Cassian's hostage situation was, it still speaks volumes as to the state of the rebellion in this time. They're still fractured, highly factionalised and desperate bunch, plagued by egomaniacal fuck-ups ready to tear each other apart the moment the single uniting figure of their cadre is out of the picture. Spending about as much energy on in-fighting as fighting the Empire.
Regarding the timeline; by my reckoning these episodes happened somewhere around the middle of season 2 of Rebels, so the Phoenix Cell may have just been chased off of Garel, but Chopper Base won't be established for a while yet. The next arc looks set to happen right around the season 3 premier. By then Ahsoka will be off the board (not that I thought a Fulcrum cameo was ever in the cards), and rebellion Y-Wings may start to be a thing.
Note that the events of 'Secret Cargo' seem like they should fall much closer to the 3rd arc than the second. That's interesting since it seems Ghorman is up next. I suppose the massacre could happen at the start of the 3rd arc, but that would seem a little odd; you'd think it's be the climax of the 2nd. On the other hand, Mon waiting almost a whole year to express her outrage at the incident then flee into exile seems equally odd.
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Speaking of weaves; it's kind of fascinating how they've extrapolated all of Chandrilan culture from one braided costume piece on Caroline Blakiston's costume for 'Return of the Jedi'. The braids aren't just decorative, they're a symbol of Chandrilan customs, rituals, and faith in the Elder. I always appreciate when Star Wars takes the time to get into that kind of deep world building, even if it's mostly just implied.
As darkly comedic as Cassian's hostage situation was, it still speaks volumes as to the state of the rebellion in this time. They're still fractured, highly factionalised and desperate bunch, plagued by egomaniacal fuck-ups ready to tear each other apart the moment the single uniting figure of their cadre is out of the picture. Spending about as much energy on in-fighting as fighting the Empire.
Regarding the timeline; by my reckoning these episodes happened somewhere around the middle of season 2 of Rebels, so the Phoenix Cell may have just been chased off of Garel, but Chopper Base won't be established for a while yet. The next arc looks set to happen right around the season 3 premier. By then Ahsoka will be off the board (not that I thought a Fulcrum cameo was ever in the cards), and rebellion Y-Wings may start to be a thing.
Note that the events of 'Secret Cargo' seem like they should fall much closer to the 3rd arc than the second. That's interesting since it seems Ghorman is up next. I suppose the massacre could happen at the start of the 3rd arc, but that would seem a little odd; you'd think it's be the climax of the 2nd. On the other hand, Mon waiting almost a whole year to express her outrage at the incident then flee into exile seems equally odd.
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- First Live action appearance of the TIE Advance V1s, and appropriately around the time they started showing up as a production model in 'Rebels' (the GI's was a prototype IIRC.) Also appropriate that they'd show up at a Sienar testing facility, as that's likely the only kind of place you'd find them outside of the Inquisitorious!
- Kafrene gets name-dropped. Doubtless the show will end up visiting sooner or later (later for certain.)
- This TIE has to be the sturdiest damn ship Sienar has ever made! All that abuse and nary a dent!
- Another name drop for the Rakata, and another mention of their invasions; last season it was Kuat, this time it's Chandrila AND we get a much more specific timeframe.
- Speaking of which; there's an interesting confluence between a Chandrilan ritual and a Jedi one; the cutting of the braid as a rite of passage. The Knighting of a Padawan in the case of the Jedi, and the Chandrilan marriage ceremony. One could write this off as a coincidence if it were not for the aforementioned Rakata invasion dating Chandrilan culture to the pre-Old Republic/Dawn of the Jedi era. Hinting at a possible cultural connection between the two, however distant and forgotten (at least until the Mangold project bears fruit!)
- Small aside; but was I the only one that thought of Aphra when Davo mentioned "an adventure" in the process of acquiring that lost statue? Unlikely she'd be involved given she'd probably only be in her late teens around now . . . but still!
- Star Wars continues it's tradition of hand-made wooden toys. This time it's a bowcaser and an AT-ST marionette . . . though that second one feels like an odd choice in-context!
- I like how this show isn't spoon-feeding all the details and letting the audience join the dots. For example; we don't need to see Cinta merc Tay. It's enough that it's her replacing his usual driver. Unaliving people is what she does.
- I don't know why it never occured to me that Dedra would have to contend with Cyrill's mum . . . and I suppose that's mostly because it never occured to me that they'd actually be in a domestic relationship! Not mad about it, but if anyone is going to put her in her place, it'd have to be an ISB agent.
- I did not expect Erskin Semaj to show up, let alone this early! I guess it stands to reason given he'll be Mon's attache in her flight from Coruscant, she would have had to have known and trusted him for some time. It could also mean the chances of a direct cross-over with 'Secret Cargo' have gone up a little, but it could just as easily just mean they're tying into Rebels elements where it makes the most sense.
As a general rule of thumb; the more villainous the character, the nicer the actor tends to be in real life. Actual arseholes can't play such characters on-screen because they never see themselves that way. Such people tend to play protagonists instead; they're usually well practiced at pretending to be nice people.
This prototype is definitely a bit different than the "production" version in the game. What the heck was that drop-down weapon that made a huge hole in the hangar door and made the stormtrooper with the rocket launcher disappear?
Also, that woman rebel that was trying to figure out the controls said at one point "Why are there two?" Anyone know what she may have been referring to?
Some sort of beam weapon. Maybe using some of the Kyber from project stardust?
Maybe this is what leads them towards that.
I'm honestly impressed at how much they stayed true to the video game incarnation of the Avenger. Not in every design detail or anything--indeed, it's aesthetically only broadly similar--but in the sense that it was always an over-engineered, over-powered, needlessly complicated boondoggle. Even down to the exotic beam weapon, which IIRC was more of a tractor beam based thing in the game, whereas here it seems like just a straight-up miniaturised turbolaser.
I also appreciate that with the Defender project already at least on the drawing board this thing is entirely redundant, because of course a bloated Imperial military industrial complex is going to waste resources on almost identical projects rather than take the efficient route.
I also appreciate that with the Defender project already at least on the drawing board this thing is entirely redundant, because of course a bloated Imperial military industrial complex is going to waste resources on almost identical projects rather than take the efficient route.
It was a clear allegory of how the resistance to fascist governments (or an opposition political party against an incumbent fascist government) quickly devolves into anarchy and in-fighting when no clear leadership is around.
I don't know what to make of this first arc.
Basically 3 storylines - Andor's mission to steal the prototype, his rebel cell hiding out on an agriworld that will soon be inspected and they possibly discovered and a high society wedding of Mon Mothma's daughter.
First storyline is easy to follow, loved how Andor fucked up the start and him almost not making it. The gang he discovers stretched my patience though, what was the point of these idiots?
The Rebel Cell storyline was mildly interesting in a way to see how they operate on a shoestring budget and are a hairs breadth away from being caught. That Lieutenant though was creepy as hell when he made a move on Brix and he rightfully died for it, bastard rapist asshole.
What i completely didn't get and started to fast forward in the third episode was the wedding - what was the point? I barely understood anything going on there, maybe because i lost interest fast and didn't pay attention. Can anyone sum this up in short for me?
Loved Dedre's storyline ( mini 4th one) and how she put down his mom - don't fuck around with an imperial agent of her caliber, she's way out of mom's league.
Altogether i'm not sure what to make of this first arc - it felt like filler to me half the time wiht pointless scenes and characters, that whole bandit gang Andor runs into felt very stupid and unnecessary as well as the lavish wedding that quickly lost me when it apparently went for some backhanded intrigue but i wouldn't know because i lost the plot there.
I hope the next arcs pick up, this one was a very mixed bag for me.
Basically 3 storylines - Andor's mission to steal the prototype, his rebel cell hiding out on an agriworld that will soon be inspected and they possibly discovered and a high society wedding of Mon Mothma's daughter.
First storyline is easy to follow, loved how Andor fucked up the start and him almost not making it. The gang he discovers stretched my patience though, what was the point of these idiots?
The Rebel Cell storyline was mildly interesting in a way to see how they operate on a shoestring budget and are a hairs breadth away from being caught. That Lieutenant though was creepy as hell when he made a move on Brix and he rightfully died for it, bastard rapist asshole.
What i completely didn't get and started to fast forward in the third episode was the wedding - what was the point? I barely understood anything going on there, maybe because i lost interest fast and didn't pay attention. Can anyone sum this up in short for me?
Loved Dedre's storyline ( mini 4th one) and how she put down his mom - don't fuck around with an imperial agent of her caliber, she's way out of mom's league.
Altogether i'm not sure what to make of this first arc - it felt like filler to me half the time wiht pointless scenes and characters, that whole bandit gang Andor runs into felt very stupid and unnecessary as well as the lavish wedding that quickly lost me when it apparently went for some backhanded intrigue but i wouldn't know because i lost the plot there.
I hope the next arcs pick up, this one was a very mixed bag for me.
Finished Ep. 2.. and was losing the will to live.
Has the same problem as S1, pacing and Filler. What in the Hell was the point of the Andor on Yavin with the morons? ugh..
Was hoping covering a year in 3 episodes would quicken the pace.. no.. nope..
Still have hope for better, and Hope that K2SO shows up SOON so it'll get better.
Has the same problem as S1, pacing and Filler. What in the Hell was the point of the Andor on Yavin with the morons? ugh..
Was hoping covering a year in 3 episodes would quicken the pace.. no.. nope..
Still have hope for better, and Hope that K2SO shows up SOON so it'll get better.
I think both the wedding and the jungle scenes were about chaos. There is no Rebellion, per se. Just a bunch of different groups who hate the Empire. The aren't allied or organized. And with out structure and leadership they will turn on themselves as Maya's group did. With Mon, she's seeing the price of rebellion. Her daughter has embraced the past, her old friend has betrayed her and will pay the price. So she just lets loose and dances like there is no tomorrow. l.
Kind of what i said previously, to much filler, you didn't need to spend most of 2 episodes with the motley crew rejects, can show the chaos of multipule groups ( Its 4 years BBY, and its still this way? In Rebels they already started getting together) in a shorter amount of time. I would have rather seen him be a leader, and get the crew together, or atleast a part of it, and take them with him, or have them set up Yavin base there. But hey.
