DC Cinematic Universe ( The James Gunn era)

[DarrenTR1970]

I'm starting to think Zacky Snyder is just not a very happy person, his movies are all so colorless, and joyless, and even when he adapts something as fun and colorful as a character like Superman tends to be, he takes all of that out.

I've said earlier that his first movie 'Dawn of the Dead' is still his best. It doesn't suffer from color desaturation and an overabundance of slo-mo. Even '300' is relatively gimmick free. It's only starting with 'Watchmen' that the slo-mo and color desaturation really take hold. Then it becomes his trademark after that.​

 

[BillJ]

I've said earlier that his first movie 'Dawn of the Dead' is still his best. It doesn't suffer from color desaturation and an overabundance of slo-mo. Even '300' is relatively gimmick free. It's only starting with 'Watchmen' that the slo-mo and color desaturation really take hold. Then it becomes his trademark after that.​

I thought Sucker Punch came before Watchmen?

 

[DarrenTR1970]

I thought Sucker Punch came before Watchmen?

According to IMDB and Wikipedia, it goes 'Dawn of the Dead', '300', 'Watchmen', then 'Sucker Punch'. There's an animated movie called 'Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole', between 'Watchmen and 'Sucker Punch' that I've never heard of.​

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I've said earlier that his first movie 'Dawn of the Dead' is still his best. It doesn't suffer from color desaturation and an overabundance of slo-mo.​

Screenplay by James Gunn.

 

[Set Harth]

I've said earlier that his first movie 'Dawn of the Dead' is still his best. It doesn't suffer from color desaturation and an overabundance of slo-mo. Even '300' is relatively gimmick free. It's only starting with 'Watchmen' that the slo-mo and color desaturation really take hold.​

300 doesn't exactly have a naturalistic look.

 

[Tosk]

Even '300' is relatively gimmick free.

I wouldn't go that far. It's hyper-stylized, and was the beginning of his fascination with extreme slow motion. It also has that snap-zooming in and out during slo-mo thing that was popular for a hot minute.

 

[StarTrek1701]

According to...?

An educated guess. The hype factor isn't hitting the mark.
Not just Superman, the hype factors are subdued for FF4 and Jurassc World 4 as well.
The pandemic really took out the wind from the hype-sails of most movies

"Not good" at this stage is leaning toward a potential disaster.

It's been that way since they fired Henry Cavill. That edging tease in Black Adam didn't help matters.
Then the suit reveal divided fans and all the insane amount of set leaks soured more people.

 

[Mudd]

https://www.cbr.com/zack-snyder-justice-league-2-best-wbd-decision/

 

[BillJ]

https://www.cbr.com/zack-snyder-justice-league-2-best-wbd-decision/

That sounds awful.

 

[Set Harth]

"You know those things you did that made us bitch endlessly? Well, if you had kept doing them, we would have bitched even harder." - some beardo

 

[Rich Watson]

With Minecraft have made almost twice what was expected in its opening weekend I'm starting to feel that the era of the Superhero movie is over* and the Videogame movie era is well and truly upon us. So bad timing for DC trying to relaunch their movies.



*And yes, there will always be exceptions but I mean generally speaking.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I'm not mad about the idea of video games movies being the next big trend, especially now people have learned that the trick is to make them faithful to the source material. I just wish they'd hurry up and make that Metal Gear Solid movie already.

 

[Rich Watson]

I'm not mad about the idea of video games movies being the next big trend, especially now people have learned that the trick is to make them faithful to the source material. I just wish they'd hurry up and make that Metal Gear Solid movie already.

They've just announced a Death Stranding movie today. I'd have gone mini-series route for that one myself. Hope they keep the gratuitous Monster Energy product placement!

 

[Christopher]

Movies will never be consistently worthwhile as long as studios assume the key to success is to copy a category rather than simply to focus on good writing and filmmaking. As long as they assume that, then any good, successful movie in a given category will inevitably be followed by dozens of mediocre to terrible movies in the same category, along with the occasional good one. And somehow, even though this always, always happens, neither executives nor audiences ever seem to figure out that category alone is never the key to success.

 

[BillJ]

Movies will never be consistently worthwhile as long as studios assume the key to success is to copy a category rather than simply to focus on good writing and filmmaking. As long as they assume that, then any good, successful movie in a given category will inevitably be followed by dozens of mediocre to terrible movies in the same category, along with the occasional good one. And somehow, even though this always, always happens, neither executives nor audiences ever seem to figure out that category alone is never the key to success.

Flip side being that they see an underserved market, and all go rushing to try and take advantage of that market.

Definitely not a job that I would have any interest in.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Okay, I’ll play, since I’m a little intrigued at your praise for the show’s Clark as opposed to its Superman. What exactly is your beef with the latter?

The latter in my post was about Clark, and he was fine, really playing into the right balance of a superhero being a husband and father in the last two seasons. His attempt to be just another guy, but frequently referencing the fact that hes not is a part of the Superman mythos i've always enjoyed, as its the way one would consider himself if such as person really existed. He can be raised like a human, but he will always be reminded--or have to remind himself--that his interactions with anyone cannot fully, comfortably blend in like any random person. He does not get to take the costume off and return to everyday life (like some of his human comic book associates), so it made the Clark of S&L a far more interesting, sympathetic character than just "Generic Hero Guy in a costume"

I had my concerns about Cudlitz’s Luthor at first, but he ended up being great.

Cudlitz is my second favorite live action Luthor after Eisenberg, who was such a Luthor for this period of the world.

To be honest, I drifted away from the series after five episodes, but when I heard about the cube shaped Bizarro Earth, that was the thing that convinced me the series wasn't ever going to be for me.

it's just this that was a bit too childish for me.

Ive heard many criticisms about the series, but childish is one of the rare takes on it.

I’m not sure that is really valid, some folks just like dark material.

True, but someone is trying to play armchair psychiatrist in order to cast some unsubstantiated negative judgement against Snyder. Typical.

 

[BillJ]

True, but someone is trying to play armchair psychiatrist in order to cast some unsubstantiated negative judgement against Snyder. Typical.

@JD? I don’t think so? Just someone trying to figure out why things are the way they are.

 

[The Realist]

The latter in my post was about Clark, and he was fine, really playing into the right balance of a superhero being a husband and father in the last two seasons. His attempt to be just another guy, but frequently referencing the fact that hes not is a part of the Superman mythos i've always enjoyed, as its the way one would consider himself if such as person really existed. He can be raised like a human, but he will always be reminded--or have to remind himself--that his interactions with anyone cannot fully, comfortably blend in like any random person. He does not get to take the costume off and return to everyday life (like some of his human comic book associates), so it made the Clark of S&L a far more interesting, sympathetic character than just "Generic Hero Guy in a costume"

Cool, and appreciate the response. But I was referring to “the latter” in my own post, i.e., Superman, with whom you indicated you had some issue(s) concerning the show’s portrayal. Still curious what that beef is.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

An educated guess. The hype factor isn't hitting the mark.

Ah. I see. Yeah, so far, no screening has resulted in a majority of viewers saying it was a great anything, whether that's a Superman film (the most important goal, and nerve-wracking if its not meeting even that basic criteria), or superhero genre film.

Not just Superman, the hype factors are subdued for FF4 and Jurassc World 4 as well.
The pandemic really took out the wind from the hype-sails of most movies

The FF may not have Endgame levels of pre-release interest, but the general vibe is far more positive than several of the most recent MCU films. Perhaps that's due to the film being a sort of period piece and not having overt ties to current chronology MCU (in theory, but you know the Easter Eggs will be running over in the film), so it seems--or promises to be a refreshing Marvel movie.

It's been that way since they fired Henry Cavill. That edging tease in Black Adam didn't help matters.
Then the suit reveal divided fans and all the insane amount of set leaks soured more people.

Probably. The Cavill cameo was the best part of the film, but WB's treatment of the actor (and essentially crapping on any of Dwayne Johnson's BTS negotiations) and the suggested removal of Superman scenes from The Flash was the final nail in the coffin of the "Anyone other than Snyder" wrongheaded, tinkering group in the eyes of DCEU Superman fans.

 

[JD]

True, but someone is trying to play armchair psychiatrist in order to cast some unsubstantiated negative judgement against Snyder. Typical.

That was not my intent at all, it was more of just a random thought because I can't imagine a cheerful, happy go lucky person making movies as dark and moody as his tend to be.