What if one of the Excalbians had portrayed Khan Noonien-Singh instead of one of the other villain figures?
Khan Noonien-Singh in The Savage Curtain?
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What difference would it make? He would probably have to replace Green, since he's the most prominent villain. Can't see Montalbán coming back to be a spear carrier. Of course Green is much more of a bastard than Khan. Might sully his reputation as "not the worst tyrant".
Unlike the others, who are all known to be dead, seeing someone that you know is alive and should be where you last left him would add an interesting complication. How well would faux Khan duplicate the real thing? What would he know of Kirk's previous interactions with Khan and how would that affect Kirk's ability to bluff him?
Since the duplicates are drawn from Kirk and Spock's perception of these historical figures, Khan would be how Kirk perceives him. So very influenced by their last encounter.
Still jarring, though. And it wouldn't undercut TWOK because it wasn't any more real than a dream Kirk might have had, from the real Khan's perspective.
I'm glad there wasn't an attempt to bring back Khan just for the sake of it. As cash-strapped as the show was by that point in the third season, there's no way they'd have paid the money for Montalban for a nothing role in the episode. Nor do I think Montalban would've accepted the role, either.
Creating the character of Colonel Green expanded the world more, instead of falling prey to small universe syndrome.
Creating the character of Colonel Green expanded the world more, instead of falling prey to small universe syndrome.
I bet that was the case. Why make a whole new costume, when they could give one they've already got a nip and tuck?
Army surplus? Or likely the uniform design intended to be used by the original crew of what would become the Botany Bay, before Khan stole it.
I assume they were the uniforms Khan's forces wore in the war. Seem tailored to fit and not something found on the ship. Note that Khan has collar tabs and markings that show his higher status.
Do we know that the Botany Bay had an original crew? Might be a project designed by Khan's faction from the start.
Spock says the last vessel of its kind was built in the 90s. So there were other DY-100s - what were they for? An abandoned space program? Evacuees planning to leave Earth and escape from the Augments, only to have the Augments leave them instead?
Well, we don't know. Could be an ambitious Augment project. Not sure the "humans" under the thumb of the Augments and those at war with them could pull off such a feat.
I'm fine with who we got. Colonel Green is now part of Trek's history and backstory and got namedropped in the Terra Prime story arc of ENT (we even got to see an old video of him giving a speech in the year 2056).
Green was going to get his own story arc on ENT but they dropped it when Brent Spiner said he wanted to be on the show (thus giiving rise to Arik Soong).
And IIRC, the Green arc would have revealed that the Fourth World troops from TNG (the ones with the fistguns and the drugs) were Green's.
Yep. A shame, really. I would have loved to have seen all of that. I love Spiner, but I really dig the Colonel Green story idea.
Yeah, I thoroughly enjoyed that Augment multi-parter (and S4 ENT's many many nods to TOS), but Spiner has really grown stale on me the last few years. I wish he hadn't forced himself into so many things as the umpteenth Soong brother/son/grand nephew/whatever.
Then we would've had a way less satisfying follow-up to "Space Seed" than the one we got in 1982.
You think part of the satisfaction stems from the fact that we hadn't seen Khan, or a reasonable facsimile thereof, since "Space Seed"?
Now I wonder what if TAS had featured the characters checking in on Khan (with one of the usual TAS voice actors playing him)? That would have complicated it; certainly, it would have created another wrinkle for the "canon or not" debate surrounding the cartoon.
Now I wonder what if TAS had featured the characters checking in on Khan (with one of the usual TAS voice actors playing him)? That would have complicated it; certainly, it would have created another wrinkle for the "canon or not" debate surrounding the cartoon.
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