Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

[Anwar]

Most of the X-Men movies though were good and that was because of Wolverine. They knew who their best characters were and focused on them which was Wolverine, Professor X and Magneto and Mystique.

No, they'd have been good if the effort had been there for the other characters. The other X-Men characters are just as worth it when you put the effort in, look at all the great growth Cyclops himself underwent once the 90s effect wore off and writers who disliked Wolverine came onboard.

By your logic, the MCU shouldn't have bothered focusing on Captain America and Thor and the Guardians and just made Iron Man the star of every story.

 

[Tosk]

Most of the X-Men movies though were good and that was because of Wolverine.

Explain X-Men Origins: Wolverine then. (And X-Men The Last Stand too to be honest, although I'm sure some people will defend that one. Few would defend Origins.)

 

[Mage]

Imagine if the MCU simply made Captain America the "Bland Leader Guy" who was only there to argue with Tony, always lose the argument to Tony and be in a useless love triangle with him over Black Widow (who was similarly written to just be a love interest and nothing more) and then get killed off off-screen.

That's what would've happened if the MCU was done the way the FoX-Men were.

Instead they made Steve a real character and as poorly written as Natasha was she was never degraded to solely just that kind of role.

Heck, Guardians of the Galaxy was a team movie and still did the team dynamic better by not making everything be about Quill over every other Guardian. Folks would be just as willing to watch a movie about Rocket and other characters without Quill being there.

Even though all characters had something to do in the Avengers movies, the main focus was definitely on Stark and Rogers.
And even though all the Guardians had a part in the GotG movies, there was certainly a bigger focus on Quill in all the movies.

 

[Jayson1]

No, they'd have been good if the effort had been there for the other characters. The other X-Men characters are just as worth it when you put the effort in, look at all the great growth Cyclops himself underwent once the 90s effect wore off and writers who disliked Wolverine came onboard.

By your logic, the MCU shouldn't have bothered focusing on Captain America and Thor and the Guardians and just made Iron Man the star of every story.

No. But they were smart to sort of make their core characters to be Iron Man and Captain America. In the first 22 movies you see Captain America or Iron Man at least do a cameo in 13 of those 22 movies. Granted it's kind of cheat in Thorark Lord but the point is they are all over the place in that first Phase. They are also referenced or in many others and even Banner is wearing Tony's clothes and glasses in Ragnarok.

Their is nothing wrong in having lots of a great characters but I feel like you still need a few that sort of represents the Franchise, even beyond their own individual movies. RIght now Spider-Man is the one that makes the most sense as one such anchor character. Someone from the X-Men should likely be the other. Not Wolverine though because the new Wolverine is going to have to somehow make people forget Hugh Jackman. Which is a hard thing to do. We just saw them fail to replace Chris Evans as Captain America. I personally think it has to be either Storm or the new Professor X. Or the 3 of them.

 

[eschaton]

No. But they were smart to sort of make their core characters to be Iron Man and Captain America. In the first 22 movies you see Captain America or Iron Man at least do a cameo in 13 of those 22 movies. Granted it's kind of cheat in Thorark Lord but the point is they are all over the place in that first Phase. They are also referenced or in many others and even Banner is wearing Tony's clothes and glasses in Ragnarok.

Their is nothing wrong in having lots of a great characters but I feel like you still need a few that sort of represents the Franchise, even beyond their own individual movies. RIght now Spider-Man is the one that makes the most sense as one such anchor character. Someone from the X-Men should likely be the other. Not Wolverine though because the new Wolverine is going to have to somehow make people forget Hugh Jackman. Which is a hard thing to do. We just saw them fail to replace Chris Evans as Captain America. I personally think it has to be either Storm or the new Professor X. Or the 3 of them.

I'm pretty sure Wong appeared more than any other MCU characters across Phases 4/5. I mean he was in Shang-Chi, No Way Home, Multiverse of Madness, and She-Hulk. Plus two episodes of What If...?

 

[Anwar]

Even though all characters had something to do in the Avengers movies, the main focus was definitely on Stark and Rogers.

As opposed to JUST Stark, like how the FoX-Men movies made everything about Wolverine. And the other Avengers weren't degraded just to make Stark look better and got focus that had nothing to do with him.

And even though all the Guardians had a part in the GotG movies, there was certainly a bigger focus on Quill in all the movies.

Part 2 gave focus to Gamora and Nebula, Part 3 was really more Rockets' story than Quills.

No. But they were smart to sort of make their core characters to be Iron Man and Captain America. In the first 22 movies you see Captain America or Iron Man at least do a cameo in 13 of those 22 movies. Granted it's kind of cheat in Thorark Lord but the point is they are all over the place in that first Phase. They are also referenced or in many others and even Banner is wearing Tony's clothes and glasses in Ragnarok.

As opposed to JUST Stark, the way the FoX-Men movies were really just Wolverine movies with everyone else degraded to make him look better.

Look at what the FoX-Men movies did to Cyclops and tell me you'd be fine if they did that to Thor or Banner.

Their is nothing wrong in having lots of a great characters but I feel like you still need a few that sort of represents the Franchise, even beyond their own individual movies. RIght now Spider-Man is the one that makes the most sense as one such anchor character. Someone from the X-Men should likely be the other. Not Wolverine though because the new Wolverine is going to have to somehow make people forget Hugh Jackman. Which is a hard thing to do. We just saw them fail to replace Chris Evans as Captain America. I personally think it has to be either Storm or the new Professor X. Or the 3 of them.

Or just a proper ensemble. Heck, Age of Ultron was able to make Hawkeye a full character after how shafted he was in Avengers 1 and Vision himself was a good character right from the get go.

They haven't "failed" with the new Cap, because Sam isn't a replacement for Steve 100%. Just another guy with the mantle. He's a different person from Steve.

 

[Christopher]

It's missing the point of a shared universe to think there has to be a core character or characters that everything revolves around. The whole idea is to have a range of different series with their own individual appeal for different segments of the audience, with a second layer of interconnection on top of that for the portion of the audience that's interested in the connections. It's supposed to work on both levels, individual and collective, rather than the collective level overwhelming the individual level. After all, the audience is diverse. You don't just want to have one level of audience appeal, but to appeal to as many different segments of the audience as you can. So the interconnections need to be an optional, secondary element, rather than overwhelming the individual stories themselves.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I hope that everything MCU doesn't become X-Men--although I'm sure it probably will.

Going foward, I would not be surprised if that turned out to be the case, since all things "X" infected so much of Marvel media since the 80s, and Marvel's PTB were fine with that, no matter how oversaturated the concept had been. On that note, the X-associated MCU movies might come off as X-films with everyone else appearing to be "special guest stars".

Uuhh........

Exactly. Iron Man was the focus of so much about the MCU and its seemingly neverending arc.

 

[Tuskin38]

The original Green Goblin mask intended for the 2002 Sam Raimi movie was pretty impressive.

 

[Jayson1]

I'm pretty sure Wong appeared more than any other MCU characters across Phases 4/5. I mean he was in Shang-Chi, No Way Home, Multiverse of Madness, and She-Hulk. Plus two episodes of What If...?

Wong does have a chance of filling the same kind of role Nick Fury use to perform IMO. Though him not being part of any government means he might need to sort share that role with Captain America, unless they try and avoid use that character after his movie flopped, which means they might instead go with Rhodes instead. Still that is not the same as Iron Man and Captain America that had starring roles in movies about them and also the Avengers movies.

 

[Jayson1]

It's missing the point of a shared universe to think there has to be a core character or characters that everything revolves around. The whole idea is to have a range of different series with their own individual appeal for different segments of the audience, with a second layer of interconnection on top of that for the portion of the audience that's interested in the connections. It's supposed to work on both levels, individual and collective, rather than the collective level overwhelming the individual level. After all, the audience is diverse. You don't just want to have one level of audience appeal, but to appeal to as many different segments of the audience as you can. So the interconnections need to be an optional, secondary element, rather than overwhelming the individual stories themselves.

We had that in the first phase even with Stark and Rogers as the center. The thing is for connective tissue you do need more than just references and side characters showing up in multiple movies and shows. You will always need something more.

 

[oktay]

EXCLUSIVE: Rachna Fruchbom Set To Write Marvel Television’s ‘Champions’

One of the most speculated MCU projects is finally starting to feel more real as it has gained a writer.

www.nexuspointnews.com

If this news is true, it means that this series is really being made. Most of the time, such news about unconfirmed TV series and movies that come from such unreliable sources usually turn out to be true. But it is still worth noting that it is an unreliable source.

Marvel's New Blade Movie Gets Official Update Amid Cancellation Concerns

The MCU's Blade has dealt with a LOT of issues, but that does not mean it's being canned.

thedirect.com

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Never heard of Nexus Point News so their "exclusive reporting" can and shall be taken with a grain, nay, a heap of salt.

 

[Anwar]

Going foward, I would not be surprised if that turned out to be the case, since all things "X" infected so much of Marvel media since the 80s, and Marvel's PTB were fine with that, no matter how oversaturated the concept had been. On that note, the X-associated MCU movies might come off as X-films with everyone else appearing to be "special guest stars".

They won't repeat that mistake, it's what nearly destroyed Marvel in the 90s to begin with.

Exactly. Iron Man was the focus of so much about the MCU and its seemingly neverending arc.

Not the only focus.

We had that in the first phase even with Stark and Rogers as the center. The thing is for connective tissue you do need more than just references and side characters showing up in multiple movies and shows. You will always need something more.

You do NOT need one character to dominate everything and everyone, however.

Look at the Guardians movies, they didn't need Iron Man or Cap in any of them to be connected to the greater MCU.

 

[oktay]

Never heard of Nexus Point News so their "exclusive reporting" can and shall be taken with a grain, nay, a heap of salt.

I agree, but; when there is news about writers for projects that are still in the rumor section and have not been confirmed yet, it usually turns out to be true. However, in this case, the news comes from an unreliable source, not THR or Deadline, and casts doubt on its accuracy.

 

[oktay]

‘The Assessment’ Star Elizabeth Olsen on the Newfound Importance of Her Non-Marvel Choices

The seasoned MCU star confirms she will not appear in the upcoming ‘Avengers’ movies, but will instead shoot her first pilot for FX.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

The seasoned MCU star confirms she will not appear in the upcoming ‘Avengers’ movies, but will instead shoot her first pilot for FX.

Most of the time, such news about unconfirmed TV series and movies that come from such unreliable sources usually turn out to be true.

It occurred to me that most of those news were Deadline and THR news.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

‘The Assessment’ Star Elizabeth Olsen on the Newfound Importance of Her Non-Marvel Choices

The seasoned MCU star confirms she will not appear in the upcoming ‘Avengers’ movies, but will instead shoot her first pilot for FX.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

It occurred to me that most of those news were Deadline and THR news.

Good for Olsen to move on and explore her creative interests in other subjects / productions, but you can almost guarantee that Marvel Studios plans to bring her character back in some "shock" last minute appearance at the end of one of the upcoming Big Bad Arcs.

 

[Jayson1]

They won't repeat that mistake, it's what nearly destroyed Marvel in the 90s to begin with.



Not the only focus.



You do NOT need one character to dominate everything and everyone, however.

Look at the Guardians movies, they didn't need Iron Man or Cap in any of them to be connected to the greater MCU.

The Guardians were sort of like this niche side story not really connected to the MCU bigger story. I would even say they were the MCU what Deadpool was to the X-Men movies.

 

[oktay]

It occurred to me that most of those news were Deadline and THR news.

Meanwhile, organizations like Deadline, THR, and Variety are no longer reliable, and most of their news stories lately are based on things they saw on Reddit and reported on.

 

[Anwar]

The Guardians were sort of like this niche side story not really connected to the MCU bigger story. I would even say they were the MCU what Deadpool was to the X-Men movies.

They were, they gave us our first real look at Thanos and the power of the Infinity Stones and the first real exploration of the Infinity Saga.

And they didn't need Stark or Rogers for it.

Which proves the FoX-Men movies didn't need every movie to have Wolverine, Xavier or Magneto in them. They were just incompetently run.