I'm pretty sure Star Trek has a strict no butt stuff policy.
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T'Pol came close, but even then you only saw the top of the crack.
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T'Pol was a very great character. Great looks and personality.
Even if it's only described on screen, never actually shown?I'm pretty sure Star Trek has a strict no butt stuff policy.
Just implied.
Especially...
And what must you have to make another replicator?
Also, what components of resources such as starships and their critical parts (warp drive, field generators, transporters, etc.) can be made by replicators, and what requires good ol' raw materials, ores etc.?
And the military took over ostensibly because of the resource depletion.
Really, how depleted could their resources be?
Our star system is a pretty average system, yet look at the resources! 8 planets, multiple moons, Kuiper Belt, Ort Cloud, asteroid belt, and various comets. Water is abundant (despite the scifi trope to the contrary), the gas giants are full of various gases, iron, nickel, gold are everywhere. Solar energy is off the charts.
That's just 1 average size system. How many star systems are in Cardassian or Klingon space? Yet they excuse their conquests on lack of resources. Right.
The Kazon on VOY were lame adversaries for all sorts of reasons, but the fact that a spacefaring, warp-capable civilization equipped with massive, powerful warships couldn't even find water was probably THE stupidest thing about the entire species and how VOY depicted them.
The Kazon were supposed to be "Glorified Space Gangs" who stole their tech.
The fact that they don't really understand it very well doesn't surprise me.
All of their equipment were stolen from the Trabe.
They only understand how to use it at a very basic level.
I can buy all their technological quirks and limitations, but the water thing....damn, that was a fatal running theme for a supposed major power in the Delta Quadrant who were intended to be the big baddies of a new series. Water. I mean....even the poorest, weakest civilizations in Trek have water if they have little else.
Definitely up there with the Ferengi for most ill-conceived antagonists .
We don't know that they had more than one system prior to the military takeover, nor that the Cardassian system is necessarily average or above average in resources, nor which specific (most likely fictional) resources they lacked, nor how long they were using up those resources before it became a problem.
Obviously after decades of mostly unchecked military aggression they must have stolen more than enough resources to fix their original problem, but by that point the military has already long since reshaped their society and is not giving up their power and position without a fight. And equally obviously none of this excuses anything they've done, no more than the great depression and the treaty of Versailles excuse anything about Nazi Germany. It's just a historical analysis on how a once more or less normal society degenerated into a fascist hellhole.
But... CAPITALISM! Hey, let's cast a bunch of short Jews and give them even bigger noses! (And people get bent out of shape about Code of Honor?!?)
Ooooh, which episode!!
Just kidding. But I suppose it compensates for "Wink of an Eye" and the post-commercial boot-pullin' and hair-brushin' scene...
Akshully moment: We are not average. Having three debris fields, being a G class star, and with an arrangment of mostly cold gas giants and relatively hot rocky planets, we're certainly odd. Within 20 light years, or rather, in a chain of the nearest stars up to 6 ly apart from each other, only two other stars have debris fields: Tau Ceti and Ran (Epsilon Eridani).
I note this because warp is slow, (to cross 4.5ly at Warp 5 old scale took around two weeks and a week at the new scale, respectively) and seems restricted to the use of a material for at least higher warp speeds, Dilithium, which until 'recently' couldn't be recycled/rejuiced? (and this may not be a technique known or possible for 'lesser' powers like Cardassia) and can't be replicated. And, even if lower warp can be done with 'just' Fusion or Antimatter, that means resources take weeks (as seen above) or months (at warp 2 or 3) to cross an average interstellar distance just to get back home, or even if you refine and use them 'at the source', the finished product, whatever it is, still takes as much time to get where it's needed, which puts pressure. Of course if there's some natural 'warp bridges' or 'highways' between systems this speed limit might be cut down, but those are more fan canon than stated on screen to make up for seen Speed of Plot, no?
The most common star system type are resource poor red dwarfs with tidally locked hot gas giants or cooked rocky ones that are more silicate/carboneous than metallic, if they have planets at all. Those latter ones may be bypassed entirely or host a meagre rest stop at best, since Trek apparently doesn't do starlifting/star mining tech. I could see how the Cardassian and Klingon empires have paltry resources if they can't easily terraform or colonize a lot of worlds and the worlds they have are terrible for mining and speeds are slow.
And, by the time of Enterprise/TNG, its also a cultural thing, anyway, than anything material: Cardassia owns a respectable bloc of space, they should have enough, the Klingons should have enough, even after Khitomer (and if you put this in your canon, the Tal'Ihnor Gates), but the Cardassians literally sold their soul - their art - just to survive economic depression and the military took over, and the Military Caste of the Empire jockeyed itself into power, prominence, and specialness above all other occupucations and focuses from the 2100s onwards and has barely budged by the 2400s.
If they could change, who knows what they can do with what they have if they didn't immediately shove every new ingot into a cruiser's frame?
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I thought that was just the small group on the surface of Kes home world.
Yeah, can’t say I’ve ever appreciated those particular choices.
Could have been worse
So Probert understood the assignment. And YES, this was done as a JOKE. But maybe one to say "Are we really doing this, Gene?"
Elmer Fudd as a Ferengi?
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