William Shatner Confirms Talks for Star Trek Return at 93 Years Old
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And all of those things would have been huge improvements.
I truly can't think of anything I like about the JJ-Prise. The angles and aesthetics are just so WRONG. With minor tweaking the Discoprise is the Phase II Enterprise.
Ah, yes, the era of "Respect for Gene's Vision." Just don't read the fine print.
I think ST 09 had more respect for TOS than much of TNG.
Which is just odd, considering that TNG launched with McCoy, Kirk 2.0 in Riker,and Trelane 2.0, going right into Naked Now at the beginning, using the TOS planet set and end-of-episode-comedy banter, and adding McCoy 2.0 soon enough.
I love early TNG so much. lol.
I don't know if I would call '09 respect. They definitely started with the right foundation, but I'm still not sure they really understood the pieces they were playing with.
It used the pieces but removed measures of humanity from it.
It's an action/adventure platform that showcases a social issue. It's one that I enjoy quite well, though it hits me personally because I became a father that year too. The presentation of the importance of fathers in the film hits hard for me because of that.
yeah, not judging whether how WELL they did it, just saying TOS didn't start out being that "off limits." I know its not a popular opinion, but I think that early TNG had a little bit more of that humanity, but it was already in diminishing returns.
I understand the themes and parallels but just didn't feel it was done too well - Spock's stuff was rehashed from TAS and TFF, and while it made sense for a character going through that to do the things that were happening (grew up without a dad, found a father figure in Pike), i just coudln't buy them as Kirk/Pike. It just reimagined too much for my sensitivities. If they had just done a more by-the-numbers Academy to LT arc for Kirk, I would have bought the characters and most of the sets.
Having never had kids, and being past the point where I probably ever will, its a perspective that I unfortunately will never have.
Pike was a stretch but Kirk worked well for me and Spock/Sarek worked extremely well because it went a different direction.
Kirk's arc is a bit rushed but I'm still love how he moves through it.
And I'm going to cut you off right there. "B&B" is not applicable to Generations. Though both Berman and Braga were involved in the movie, Braga at least was not in a position to make any real decisions on the movie. He was only a scriptwriter on that movie and the most junior one at that. And even then, the studio already decided what had to happen in the movie, so being a scriptwriter simply a glorified title for "typist" on that movie.
The debate was about whether or not they should specify it was Spock's wedding Picard mentions attending which in the actual episode he simply says the wedding of "Sarek's son." And it wasn't Berman's rule but rather Roddenberry's, as he wanted TNG to be as separate from TOS as possible. Indeed, you'll note TOS references became a lot more common on TNG after Roddenberry's death and after all his sycophants were removed from the studio.
Yes. The likely apocryphal story about why there's such a lengthy horse riding scene in the Nexus in that movie illustrates the how Berman had to dance to Paramount's tune on Generations. The story goes that the studio put pressure on Berman to make Absolutely Certain Shatner would do the movie. Berman then went on to offer Shatner extremely exorbitant amounts of cash, all of which Shatner refused. Berman finally asked Shatner "what do you want? What will make you say yes to this movie right now?" Shatner said "I will do this movie if I get to ride a horse in it." Berman told this to Paramount who replied "then tell your writers they need to write a scene where he's riding a damn horse!"
ST09 definitely respected TOS more. It brought back those characters in a great way in a great looking and action packed film. It introduced a new audience to the TOS characters and I think some people maybe even went and checked out the original Star Trek and maybe even the TOS films.
I wonder what Berman thought? IIRC he said that ST09 was quite different from the films he made and that the nacelles of the Enterprise were too big.
The fact was, Berman's TNG films, with the exception of First Contact, were all rated rotten on rottentomatoes.com while all 3 of the Kelvin movies are over like 85%.
He was correct on both counts.
0nce again:
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William Shatner is going to be 94 years old at the end of this month; so any discussions are probably related to an appearance on Strange New Worlds season 4.
With him at that age they're not going to spend a lot of time or money developing anything from scratch for him to appear in, as he probably wouldn't be around by the time it got to the production stage. It's got to be something that's in production and filming in the very near future.
Filming Of ‘Star Trek: Strange New Worlds’ Season 4 Has Begun
The fourth season of the TOS-prequel has started production.
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William Shatner is going to be 94 years old at the end of this month; so any discussions are probably related to an appearance on Strange New Worlds season 4.
With him at that age they're not going to spend a lot of time or money developing anything from scratch for him to appear in, as he probably wouldn't be around by the time it got to the production stage. It's got to be something that's in production and filming in the very near future.
I couldn't buy Spock at all - felt his characterization was EXTREMELY off - but part of that was probably personal; I couldn't take Quinto seriously. Coming off a Heroes obsession (that is what honestly brought me back to the world of television) all I could see and hear was Sylar; I kept expecting Spock to wonder, how does that work? and start opening heads. Embellishing slightly, but....
Ah, well, I detested Heroes so didn't have that framework to watching him as Spock. Honestly, Pegg was more difficult for me and probably my least favorite of the new cast. I also highly related to Spock in the film and his journey and found it deeply moving. The scene with him and Sarek after Amanda's death moves me.
It's not a perfect film but I think it gets TOS and the themes that resonated for me from TOS, TAS and the films are very much present in 09, and really all three Kelvin films.
Mileage will vary.
Even after all of that, if they were using sets and models that even remotely honored the TOS movies I probably would have overlooked 90% of it. The ugly ship and sets and aesthetics for my deal breaker. Quite liked the Kelvin and the uniforms but once they got to the Enterprise....
Casting wise, I agree, not a fan of pegg. I would have recast Spock Scotty and Chekov.
I've seen pictures of young shatner that look exactly like pine. He could have had a fantastic take on prime Kirk if he had ever gotten the chance.
All in all, it did lead to lurking on here, and to finding fan films on youtube, so it did bring me back to the franchise just not in the way they would have intended.
Casting wise, I agree, not a fan of pegg. I would have recast Spock Scotty and Chekov.
I've seen pictures of young shatner that look exactly like pine. He could have had a fantastic take on prime Kirk if he had ever gotten the chance.
All in all, it did lead to lurking on here, and to finding fan films on youtube, so it did bring me back to the franchise just not in the way they would have intended.
That's fair. I don't agree, finding them more appealing than a lot of TNG design language. I'd rework some things but they're minor adjustments to the design language not overhaul.
24th century was bland. I had already ditched that before their first run movies were over.
Those big ugly nacells, those crappy angles, no one can really understand how much I hate that ship lol. Disco prize is a thing of beauty. Before that I was obsessed with the gabe koener version. They should have just used the a and said it was always like that. Any of them would have been preferable to that 50 sports car inspired monstrosity.
I'll take your word for it.
To me, it's a ship that inspires Kirk. That is sufficient.
Yup, exactly this. I've got every draft of Generations in my collection, and the overall shape of the script really doesn't change from draft to draft. Individual scenes changed slightly, dialogue always changed, and the fate of Lursa & B'Etor dramatically changed, but the large brushstrokes were locked in.
All Good Things had more adjustments to its story structure in the two-ish months it was being written.
