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Doctor Who and crossovers. What would you have liked to have seen?
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We did get that a Eleventh Dr./TNG crossover comic when IDW had the license for both franchises, so that could be taken as an indication that they at least take part in the same multiverse. I have the first half of the crossover. but I never read it because by the time I decided to get the second half IDW had lost the DW license and the digital version of Vol. 2 of the crossover isn't available anymore.
If Who actually does do a crossover with Trek, I wonder if Trek would reciprocate.
Meaning, it wouldn't be just the Doctor visiting the Trek universe on his own show, that an existing Trek show (would have to be Strange New Worlds or Starfleet Academy) would also pick it up.
Actually I really like the idea of the Doctor turning up on SNW. He'd get along great with people like Pike and Pelia and Number One. Especially since Pelia is almost certainly even older tha the Doctor!
Edit: Beyond that one comment by the Fifteenth Doctor ("We've got to visit them some day"), has Trek ever been mentioned at all in DW? Is it a fictional TV show in that reality the same as in ours? (Sorry, I've been out of the Who loop for quite awhile now)
Meaning, it wouldn't be just the Doctor visiting the Trek universe on his own show, that an existing Trek show (would have to be Strange New Worlds or Starfleet Academy) would also pick it up.
Actually I really like the idea of the Doctor turning up on SNW. He'd get along great with people like Pike and Pelia and Number One. Especially since Pelia is almost certainly even older tha the Doctor!
Edit: Beyond that one comment by the Fifteenth Doctor ("We've got to visit them some day"), has Trek ever been mentioned at all in DW? Is it a fictional TV show in that reality the same as in ours? (Sorry, I've been out of the Who loop for quite awhile now)
TARDS (A Who Wiki) has an article on Trek in Who.
Not even close these days.
Twelve was 2100 years old (Pelia claims to have lived through all of human history, but that's likely to only be "recorded history"), but acknowledged they remembered every loop of the several BILLION years they were trapped in the Confession Dial.
And then we get into the Timeless Child stuff...
I'm sorry. I've never seen an episode any later than the McGann TV-movie. 
I had no idea that the Doctor was that old.
I had no idea that the Doctor was that old.
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Some of the old Pocket Star Trek books had veiled references to Doctor Who. Sometimes as a fictional show in the ST universe and other times as "real" things in that Universe.
In My Enemy, My Ally (1984 – Diane Duane), Captain Kirk’s crew watches a holographic recreation of an old Earth TV show – which turns out to feature the Fourth Doctor from Doctor Who. The scene describes a curly-haired man with a long scarf – clearly Tom Baker’s Doctor. The Doctor isn’t named outright, but the description is unmistakable to Whovians.
In Ishmael (1985 – Barbara Hambly) also drops explicit Who lore into the background – for instance, the famous blue Metebelis crystals from the Third Doctor’s era are mentioned in dialog. In another scene, Kirk recalls legends of a world of stagnant time-travelers in the Kasterborous galaxy.
I used to read those Pocket Books religiously back in those days. I loved those Easter Eggs when I ran across them!
In My Enemy, My Ally (1984 – Diane Duane), Captain Kirk’s crew watches a holographic recreation of an old Earth TV show – which turns out to feature the Fourth Doctor from Doctor Who. The scene describes a curly-haired man with a long scarf – clearly Tom Baker’s Doctor. The Doctor isn’t named outright, but the description is unmistakable to Whovians.
In Ishmael (1985 – Barbara Hambly) also drops explicit Who lore into the background – for instance, the famous blue Metebelis crystals from the Third Doctor’s era are mentioned in dialog. In another scene, Kirk recalls legends of a world of stagnant time-travelers in the Kasterborous galaxy.
I used to read those Pocket Books religiously back in those days. I loved those Easter Eggs when I ran across them!
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Wasn't the 12th Doctor much, much older than that counting the years spent inside the confession dial?
Yeah, at the start she complains about the Doctor being low-tech and says "give me some Spock." Then later, she introduces the Doctor to Captain Jack as "Doctor Spock." Rumor is, in the original script when Rose defended that decision by saying "you don't have a name, Doctor Who?" the Doctor would have said "I prefer Doctor Who over Star Trek." The rumor continues RTD requested Moffat change it feeling that line to be "too meta."
Yes, I mentioned that - mentally, they are billions of years old. Physically - the body kept getting recycled and reset (but regeneration does that too).
Er, the Doctor didn't remember anything in the confession dial. His mind and body was reset each time. The Doctor who eventually punched through the wall was only a few hours older both mentally and physically than the Doctor who was teleported away at the end of Face the Raven.
That's what we call an inconsistency.
Not that I can find in the transcript. The only place it comes up in "Hell Bent" is when Ohila says they believe the Doctor was trapped in the confession dial for 4.5 billion years and the Doctor says "If she says so." Since he was reset at the start of each loop, logically he should have no direct memory of anything but the final loop. In "Heaven Sent," in each loop, he observed the change in the stars' positions and said "If I didn't know better, I'd say I've travelled [X] years into the future," and eventually he deduced that he'd been trapped that long, but he had no actual memory of the previous loops.
With thanks to @Chakoteya for the transcript - when the Doctor is in his memory palace working out his next move, he admits to "Clara" he remembers the loops.
"Keep" doing it. If he forgot each loop, he'd only think he'd done it ONCE.
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The way the Doctor reacts when he figures it out in his Mind Palace implies that he remembers the prior loops ("That's when I remember! Always then!") implies that once he understands his situation, he recalls everything that happened. It's possible the enormity of the realization just makes him feel an acute sense of deja vu, that his freaky time-powers kick in and allow him to connect to his prior copies, or that the Confession Dial isn't even necessarily "real" as we understand it, since it was meant as psychic rehab for dead Time Lords, not a torture chamber for living ones, so it was probably on some level a simulation or otherwise disconnected from the physical universe and he never actually died and copied himself but is in every sense the same person he was when he got there.
Even so, I'd stop short of counting his "mental age" even if it all did physically happen exactly as it seemed, since he'd just be remembering living almost exactly the same week a quarter of a trillion times. It's a highly compressible experience.
Even so, I'd stop short of counting his "mental age" even if it all did physically happen exactly as it seemed, since he'd just be remembering living almost exactly the same week a quarter of a trillion times. It's a highly compressible experience.
I'm wondering now does every Time Lord have a confession dial? If so why? Is it some kind of custom?
From the wiki:
So it's basically a cross between a will and a deathbed confession. I guess after 13 lives, anyone will have accumulated their share of things to confess.
It also says that the Doctor's dial was "re-purposed to expose someone to their greatest fears to drive them to confess." So presumably they don't normally work the way his did.
