After years of watching the show, the movie was a bit of a shock to me.
Tropes that movies, etc. use that you hate.
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My wife and I had the same reaction and watching it was such a dramatic gut punch. While a decent film it certainly isn't what I prefer about MASH. Now, that will be owed to the fact that Donald Sutherland is not a favorite actor of mine, and the feeling of the film is not one I find that enjoyable. It makes its point well enough but not enjoyable for me.
The season has some missteps, but I think it really found itself and is still my top TV series ever.
Having seen the film first I felt the show was a good take. Things did need to be watered down for broadcast and the laugh track was annoying, but it did straddle humor with thr horrors of war well. In my opinion it did get better once the streamlined the cast. When they did swap cast members, Potter and Winchester were upgrades- instead of simplistic they had complexity and depth
I've always been a Radar fan, and a Burghoff fan. But after hearing tales of his being difficult or even hotheaded, I think there may have been some real-life tension between him and Alda. After reading Alda's introduction to the 1980 MASH interview/episode book I eventually noticed that while Alda praised ''the talent and skill of Gary Burghoff,'' all his other front-credited co-stars received an adjective-noun combination. It's a subtle exception.....but I doubt it's accidental.
Agreed. I think part of the reason why Trapper and Blake left they gained a lot with Potter and BJ, and then Winchester. However, I think they would have stuck around if the level of depth had been offered to the original characters.
Sadly, from one my limited research Burghoff has definitely been a bit of a diva, and had some difficulty with the other cast members. I think part of the difficulty for him was the fact that he was kind of stuck in that role. He didn't get some of the same flexibility with the character like Hawkeye, or even BJ did early on. I think Linville would have as well, as by reports Linville was quite a nice guy and got tired of being fairly one dimensional. Alda could be a diva too, but he got a lot of the prime spotlight for flexing his acting muscles. Others didn't get the same early on so it's easy to see how that frustration could start.
Yep. Bones did a pretty good job with it imo.I think a lot of the problem with "will they/won't they" after they get together is that hardly anyone seems willing to write anything even vaguely resembling the ups and downs of a real relationship. I think the closest I ever saw was the original (UK) Coupling. Steve and Susan were pretty realistic and it still managed to be hysterically funny.
I hate that. I remember being sooooo pissed at the Xena writers for doing that to Joxer (argueably the 3rd main character) while at the exact same time the writers on Angel were adding depth and nuance to Wesley.
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Given how many times murderers get released from prison IRL, only to kill again and cause more grief & suffering.
I don't think the government is all that great at making "Just Laws".
Too many times, criminals get released, only to cause more problems for society.
I don't think the government is nearly as good at Justice as you think they are.
Do they think a realistic relationship doesn't suit the needs of their story, or viewers?
People don't tune in to see normal
TV shows where people who have no connection with law enforcement somehow manage to wangle their way into investigations, watch interrogations and tell the cops how to do their job.
Yes sometimes the shows are fun, but the trope is annoying
Yes sometimes the shows are fun, but the trope is annoying
What brought that up for me was the first couple of episodes of Elsbeth..... There's been tons of shows like this one but it just stood out here
It's more believable when the cases rely on the non-cop's area of expertise, like medicine, math, psychology, etc. Less so when a chance police-ride along gets parlayed into an (un)official consultant role, with 
"my own badge and everything! Which desk is mine?" *exasperatedly* "No desk!!" 
"my own badge and everything! Which desk is mine?" *exasperatedly* "No desk!!" 
She has a better excuse than a mystery writer or doctor.
It's more believable when the cases rely on the non-cop's area of expertise, like medicine, math, psychology, etc. Less so when a chance police-ride along gets parlayed into an (un)official consultant role, with
Yeah I feel ya..... That one always gets me like they expect their own desk, maybe a gun even
Just thought of one that really grates on my nerves. The "know-it-all/kid is the smartest person in the room'" trope.
In Heartland, there was this character that had become really annoying in the way she was written. First was in the way she was written in, in the first place (Character's parents aren't currently home, so she gets to stay the summer at the farm.) Then the writers had given her facts and figures to randomly quote, even if they're topics she has no experience in. This had been done so often that it started becoming a character trait of randomly deploying facts and figures. And always when there are more experienced adults in the room. The one thing that made me roll my eyes was when one of the characters was pregnant and about to have their baby, and the know-it-all who's probably in her early teens with no experience is suddenly the expert in pregnancy trumping characters 3 times her age who are in the room with her. I couldn't wait for her character to be written out of the show, and it was a relief when she had. What an awfully written character.
In Heartland, there was this character that had become really annoying in the way she was written. First was in the way she was written in, in the first place (Character's parents aren't currently home, so she gets to stay the summer at the farm.) Then the writers had given her facts and figures to randomly quote, even if they're topics she has no experience in. This had been done so often that it started becoming a character trait of randomly deploying facts and figures. And always when there are more experienced adults in the room. The one thing that made me roll my eyes was when one of the characters was pregnant and about to have their baby, and the know-it-all who's probably in her early teens with no experience is suddenly the expert in pregnancy trumping characters 3 times her age who are in the room with her. I couldn't wait for her character to be written out of the show, and it was a relief when she had. What an awfully written character.
My wife actually noticed the food thing on her first time watching TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT. I have to give her credit... I've seen every episode of those shows many, many times, but I never noticed that until she pointed it out. (It's one of the reasons why I love rewatching shows with her that she decides to check out... she thinks of things that never occured to me.)
Great example: "SECOND SIGHT", DS9. Sisko and Dax are on the second level of Quark's and Dax asks for something on Sisko's plate that he wasn't going to have but she wants because "it's delicious and I need the calories to keep up with Seyetik." She puts it on her plate, they talk for a minute or so... then she heads out, without touching what she just took from his plate.
She notices that no one ever bothers to finish their meals, or they get interrupted mid-meal. I was telling her the real world reasons (doing multiple takes of eating not being something many would want to do, etc.), and for STAR TREK, leaving the food is not necessarily wasteful because it's replicated and it would go back in there after they get back to it, anyway. But we also noticed this in other scifi shows, like BABYLON 5, where replicated food is not a thing.
Bottom line: now that she pointed it out, I see it every time in every show or movie I watch, too.
There are times when I get tired of tv shows and movies depicting officially autistic characters as extremely high functioning/savant or severely autistic. I think not officially autistic but autistic coded characters tend to be better at depicting people on the autism spectrum.
But then you often have to look at who are advising those shows that have characters that are officially autistic. It's usually organizations that the autism community generally despises like Autism Speaks.
But then you often have to look at who are advising those shows that have characters that are officially autistic. It's usually organizations that the autism community generally despises like Autism Speaks.
Yeah. For example it was actually extremely complicated filming the Sunday dinner scenes in Blue Bloods.
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