Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread
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Hopefully that it's a rich and thought-provoking story, rather than any of the utterly superficial concerns that people fixate on when they have no actual information about a film's story.
Although I felt Marvel Studios was shamelessly and desperately trying to channel Stark feels by casting RDJ in the new part, there is some precedent supporting the idea of audiences not being hung up on a performer's previous role in a series. For example, Karloff was one of the most known faces in the global movie business in the 1940s--a true movie / cultural icon, with few not knowing he portrayed the Frankenstein Monster in three consecutive films (from '31, '35 and '39), yet audiences were able to forget about that when he was essentially the lead villain Dr. Gustav Niemann in 1944's House of Frankenstein. They accepted Karloff as a completely new character while offering no protest about Glenn Strange taking on the role of the Monster.
for the audience it's the "leave the house challenge"
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Anyone else think it would be hilarious if the whole "RDJ is now Doom" thing were just a massive smoke screen to obfuscate who they've actually cast in the role? I guess for that to even be worth his time he'd at least have to be in the movie in some capacity, but the usual multiverse shenanigans can easily allow for some kind of "'Executive Decision' starring Steven Seagal" type of opening set-up.
I'm not saying it's likely or even plausible . . . but I would laugh my arse off, mostly because it would annoy the hell out of exactly the kind of fans that should be annoyed more often! Best bait-and-switch since Trevor Slattery.
If he really is just straight-up Doom . . . honestly: meh. Felt weird when they announced it. Still feels weird now. It could be good, but I'm not going in with high expectations.
I'm not saying it's likely or even plausible . . . but I would laugh my arse off, mostly because it would annoy the hell out of exactly the kind of fans that should be annoyed more often! Best bait-and-switch since Trevor Slattery.
If he really is just straight-up Doom . . . honestly: meh. Felt weird when they announced it. Still feels weird now. It could be good, but I'm not going in with high expectations.
Missing the point, which was a famous, highly recognizable actor in a franchise has taken on another role within the same series, and audiences were fine with it. Despite Marvel Studios' motivations for casting him as Doom, only those single-minded MCU fanboys will still squeal their desire for Doom to be some ridiculous "Stark variant" and never accept RDJ as Doom.
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That's funny.
Isn't there some similiarity to when Chris Evans was Johnny Storm, then casted as Captain America?
Granted, not the exact same Marvel Franchise at the time, but still underneath the Marvel Comics name in terms of characters.
If people can accept Chris Evans playing two Marvel characters, why can't RDJ do the same?
Ditto for Michael B. Jordan, another Johnny Storm who went on to an MCU role. And various actors who've had one role in Marvel TV and another in MCU film, like Alfre Woodard, Enver Gjokaj, Tony Curran, etc. And Gemma Chan, who's played two different MCU film characters, one minor, one major.
Exactly!
Those old Fantastic Four movies were seen as failures and also a long time ago when it came to the older ones. RDJ is iconic in the role of Tony Stark. He was literally the face of the MCU from the start. People will spend the whole movie waiting for the reveal that Doom is a Stark variant or even old Stark somehow brought back to life.
Which actually might be a advantage if they play into those fan expectations. But if they want people to just pretend that this their favorite actor playing a new character and nothing more complicated than that then that is a stretch. Somehow they will be upset with it because they will be like 'That's it? That's the only reason they brought him back." IMO they need to either to have the character have some kind of Stark connection. Whether that means he is a variant or it's Doom simply pretending to be a variant or old Stark.. We need one of those kind of twist reveals IMO.
I personally would love to see Downey at the beginning of the film with the name Victor Von Doom, but basically playing Tony Stark and being the genius friend of Reed--and then his horrible accident happens and we only see his scarred face after that.
I don't know why Disney would spend tens of millions on Downey and not make his Doom a Tony Stark variant, at least genetically. When Tony was an infant, Howard and Maria took him on a trip to Latveria or whatever, they were attacked, the kid was adopted, maybe even by people who had zero idea who he was, and he grew up to be Doom, with no real memory of his life before the incident.
That way, he's not meaningfully any kind of Tony Stark anymore, but someone completely different. And yet, once he realizes who his birth parents were, that provides all sorts of drama for him to undergo, as does the drama of characters who knew "our" Tony pleading with him to live up to the life of the guy whose life was taken from him.
Sure, they could make Downey's Doom completely unrelated to Tony Stark, from an entirely different genome, but why throw away all that drama? That sense no make would. IMO.
That way, he's not meaningfully any kind of Tony Stark anymore, but someone completely different. And yet, once he realizes who his birth parents were, that provides all sorts of drama for him to undergo, as does the drama of characters who knew "our" Tony pleading with him to live up to the life of the guy whose life was taken from him.
Sure, they could make Downey's Doom completely unrelated to Tony Stark, from an entirely different genome, but why throw away all that drama? That sense no make would. IMO.
I kind of like the idea that Doom killed his universes Stark and has found a way to possess his body. This allows him to go out without the Mask on. Even though Stark is dead he has access to his memories so he can even pretend to be Stark pretty effectively. So maybe when we first see him he is pretending to be Stark but something is just a little off. Something that might first be dismissed by that this is simply Stark from another universe so he would naturally be a little different. But then we find out it is Doom and only Doom we are dealing with.
In other words, audiences are too single-minded to accept that actors have and will continue to play completely different characters in the same film series.
Only if they are single-minded, obsessive fanboys who cannot let go of a dead character.
If the fan-bait works, then Disney/Marvel will collect their cash. Their first priority.
Exactly!
Especially in a board dedicated to a franchise where Jeffery Combs is beloved yet plays multiple characters.
Jeffrey Combs has had at least 10 different characters in Star Trek alone.
Tiron
Brunt
Weyoun(s) (Insert Clone #)
Officer Kevin Mulkahey
Penk
Thy’lek Shran
Krem
Suldok
Agimus, The Evil Computer
DS9 Holosuite Guest
I wouldn't say that. I would just say that only in certain cases. RDJ being one. On the other hand if Jeff Bridges was brought back to play a new character people would go for it. One actor played a iconic character. The other played a decent but not great villain, yet everyone knows and loves the actor anyway.