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Spoilers Section 31 General Discussion Thread

A Section 31 series. Yay or nay?

  • Yay, a Section 31 series!

    Votes: 80 40.0%
  • Nay, give us anything else instead!

    Votes: 120 60.0%

  • Total voters
    200
Yet, somehow couldn't tell at the script stage that what they were giving us was pretty much shit.
Production Probably: "It's Star Trek, people will watch and praise it no matter how bad it is."

Jokes aside, these are the same people who thought the writing on Discovery was good, so of course they weren't able to see the problem with this.
 
Production Probably: "It's Star Trek, people will watch and praise it no matter how bad it is."

I would hope not. I would hope the people involved would have some pride in their work. Flip side is that you may not be wrong, because it made it out the door in the condition it was in.

Would've rather it been given the Batgirl treatment, in hindsight.
 
Production Probably: "It's Star Trek, people will watch and praise it no matter how bad it is."
Given the number of people of voted "Nope not going to watch it," then decided to and contribute to the viewing minutes demonstrates some truth to this.
 
I would hope not. I would hope the people involved would have some pride in their work. Flip side is that you may not be wrong, because it made it out the door in the condition it was in.

Would've rather it been given the Batgirl treatment, in hindsight.
I know enough people in the industry to say with some certainty it's probably either that or the production being so full of "artistic vision" and yes people afraid to give an honest opinion that nobody who mattered even realized there was anything wrong with the movie in the first place.

Or at least didn't realize there was anything wrong with it till it was too later to do anything more then try to salvage it into the mess we saw.


Given the number of people of voted "Nope not going to watch it," then decided to and contribute to the viewing minutes demonstrates some truth to this.
Yes, but the equation is that the people who watch have to outnumber the people who hear "this is bad" and don't even bother by a significant margin.
 
You're pretty sure it has according to what? Because none of the numbers we're getting supports that.
I'm already confident that of the 50% who said "wouldn't watch it" 25% did. They have given it time, attention and minutes.

Ignoring it would have been wiser.
 
Why are you amazed that Star Trek fans watched new Star Trek? You should be happy so many people gave it a fair chance! Because too many more like Section 31 and they're going to stop and then Star Trek will really be dying.
Because they said they're not going to watch it.

Silly me... :shrug:


My happiness is not predicated on people's watching behavior. Trek was always TOS to me and I was not getting more of that.
 
With it only being available to view for 3 days during the week in question.
:guffaw:
I can't wait to see the explosion of the various Trek Talking Heads YouTube reviewers to explain how Paramount must have paid off the Nelson ratings group.

Again I don't think it's a great Star Trek film myself but I liked it better than all of the TNG feature films with the exception of Star Trek: First Contact; and it was way more entertaining than Star Trek V The Final Frontier <--- which for me is the absolute worst Star Trek film ever made, and I say that as a huge TOS fan.
 
:guffaw:
I can't wait to see the explosion of the various Trek Talking Heads YouTube reviewers to explain how Paramount must have paid off the Nelson ratings group.

Again I don't think it's a great Star Trek film myself but I liked it better than all of the TNG feature films with the exception of Star Trek: First Contact; and it was way more entertaining than Star Trek V The Final Frontier <--- which for me is the absolute worst Star Trek film ever made, and I say that as a huge TOS fan.
Why would they need to do that when they could just point out that Nielsen ratings are only a comparative to what else was going on at that period of time.

What actually matters is how many minutes were watched, not where it compares to other things. And the total minutes watched are absolutely horrible for a movie that cost somewhere between 40-80 million dollars to make.
 
Production Probably: "It's Star Trek, people will watch and praise it no matter how bad it is."

Jokes aside, these are the same people who thought the writing on Discovery was good, so of course they weren't able to see the problem with this.

That’s what Trek has largely relied upon for most of its existence. Most of Trek is far from the pinnacle of quality. It’s more dependent on safe and predictable familiarity.

S31’s issue seems to be less that it’s not particularly good, but that it’s not particularly good *and* too different. As Picard S3 shows, many of those who loudly hate aspects of modern Trek will lap up those same aspects as long as it includes enough nostalgia.
 
S31’s issue seems to be less that it’s not particularly good, but that it’s not particularly good *and* too different. As Picard S3 shows, many of those who loudly hate aspects of modern Trek will lap up those same aspects as long as it includes enough nostalgia.
Demonstrated time and again.

If it's too different it's automatically bad, and you don't alter comfort food formula. Except, Star Trek has always been on the cutting edge and challenges people to think differently, except when it needs to maintain the status quo.

Now, go write great science fiction, even though people will turn on you in a heartbeat.
 
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