Spoilers Captain America: Brave New World grade and discussion thread
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Or Chris Evans Captain America for that matter. Nobody had a problem with his display of super-powers in The Winter Soldier. Don't we all want Sam to actually be a super-hero in the movie? My favorite action sequence in Falcon and WS was in the opening episode when he was actually doing really cool stuff as Falcon.
It seems there's no middle ground for this movie with reviews I read before going in. It's either great or it's one of the worst.
I'm here to say that while I didn't love it (nor do I need to) I enjoyed it. The person I went to see it with, who knows very little about Marvel canon, thought it was great. It's not the best Captain America movie, but it's better than other Marvel offerings over the past few years. I think the plot is a bit muddled and kinda think this type of movie shouldn't be so hard for marvel to get right. They usually knock it out of the park with this kinda stuff but seem to be tripping over themselves somehow. There's lots of talk online about how it's so easy to know what scenes were reshoots etc. I didn't get that. I really enjoyed the fight scene between Red Hulk and Cap. Also loved the scene between Sam and a certain spoiler character at the hospital. Anthony Mackie is the strongest aspect of the film. I think the focus needs to be more on his character and less about the story or action.
I'm here to say that while I didn't love it (nor do I need to) I enjoyed it. The person I went to see it with, who knows very little about Marvel canon, thought it was great. It's not the best Captain America movie, but it's better than other Marvel offerings over the past few years. I think the plot is a bit muddled and kinda think this type of movie shouldn't be so hard for marvel to get right. They usually knock it out of the park with this kinda stuff but seem to be tripping over themselves somehow. There's lots of talk online about how it's so easy to know what scenes were reshoots etc. I didn't get that. I really enjoyed the fight scene between Red Hulk and Cap. Also loved the scene between Sam and a certain spoiler character at the hospital. Anthony Mackie is the strongest aspect of the film. I think the focus needs to be more on his character and less about the story or action.
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Well, one thing I will definitely say about this movie is that it was definitely not written by Markus and McFeely, it was definitely not directed by Joe Johnston or the Russo brothers and it definitely did not have a score by either Henry Jackman or Alan Silvestri.
It certainly wasn't "terrible" by any stretch of the imagination, but it was a little disjointed and choppy. I'd put it as a mid-range Marvel movie, maybe even on the lower end of the mid-range.
The cast was stellar, but I have to say I think I actually prefer William Hurt as General Ross. Oh well. I laughed at the shots of Harrison Ford wearing the cheesy mustache.
Nice to get cameos from...
In all, that definitely could have been better, but it absolutely kept me entertained for 2 hours.
It certainly wasn't "terrible" by any stretch of the imagination, but it was a little disjointed and choppy. I'd put it as a mid-range Marvel movie, maybe even on the lower end of the mid-range.
The cast was stellar, but I have to say I think I actually prefer William Hurt as General Ross. Oh well. I laughed at the shots of Harrison Ford wearing the cheesy mustache.
Nice to get cameos from...
...Sebastian Stan and Liv Tyler.
In all, that definitely could have been better, but it absolutely kept me entertained for 2 hours.
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My family is seeing this movie tomorrow, and I am attempting to keep an open mind but my major concern is it was written by Malcolm Spellman who wrote Falcon and the Winter Soldier and I did not particularly care for that show, I found it rather unengaging on the order of "Well, that'a a bunch of stuff that happened."
From the credits I counted 5 writers...
Going tomorrow.
While this is a spoiler thread, not a lot of people have seen it yet and may not want to know about this.
I was really surprised to see Liv Tyler show up in the movie seeing as she hasn't taking any acting jobs in the last 5 years or so. She seems to be taking a bit of a break. I even wondered if the voice cameo came from an impressionist and that the voice cameo would be all we would get until we actually saw her show up at the end.
I was really surprised to see Liv Tyler show up in the movie seeing as she hasn't taking any acting jobs in the last 5 years or so. She seems to be taking a bit of a break. I even wondered if the voice cameo came from an impressionist and that the voice cameo would be all we would get until we actually saw her show up at the end.
"Not great, but not terrible" seems to be where the majority of positive reactions fall, with a smattering of people who genuinely enjoyed it and a lot of people who outright disliked it.
If there's one thing people seem to agree on, it's that Red Hulk should have been kept out of the promo material. Putting him front and center neutered the build-up and reveal.
Currently the lowest-rated MCU flick on Metacritic. PostTrak scores for the film Thursday night were 3 stars - lower than The Marvels and Quantumania. Cinemascore will be released shortly; anything B or below and you can be fairly assured word of mouth isn't going to be glowing.
If there's one thing people seem to agree on, it's that Red Hulk should have been kept out of the promo material. Putting him front and center neutered the build-up and reveal.
Currently the lowest-rated MCU flick on Metacritic. PostTrak scores for the film Thursday night were 3 stars - lower than The Marvels and Quantumania. Cinemascore will be released shortly; anything B or below and you can be fairly assured word of mouth isn't going to be glowing.
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While I miss the days where we would get full coverage of a Marvel movies red carpet, at least they're still giving us highlights.
Deadpool and Wolverine doesn't really have a terribly good Metacritic score either
A fun movie and I enjoyed it. Is it a masterpiece? Not really, but then I don't go to an MCU movie expecting a cinematic masterpiece. What matters to me is when the movie ends am I in a good mood and can I sit there and say "I liked that." And with this movie, that's exactly what I did on both counts.
Just saw it. I gave it an A.
I thought it was an enjoyable film. The cast did a good job with what they were given but if you didn't see or remember things from the Disney Plus' The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, or remembered some aspects from The Incredible Hulk, a film that is now 17 years old; yeah, certain aspects could have been better explained in the film; and I can see General audiences scratching their heads on some things as a result. They definitely didn't go out of their way to explain anything in that regard.
And I will also say that the final fight between the Red Hulk and Sam Wilson as Captain America stretched even comic book belief in that they make it clear that Sam Wilson is just a normal human who passed on taking the super soldier serum; and even with his vibranium enhanced wings, and other Wakandan enhanced gear he stood up to a very powerful Red Hulk a little too well Imo.
But the characters were well defined, and overall their motivations made sense.
the one other interesting thing was that the main villain was obviously The Leader from The Hulk's Rogues gallery; but neither he nor anyone else ever used that name once. The only time he was asked who he was, he responded, "I'm the hero."
Also, after one aspect of his plan fails, he claims he now needs to turn himself in and does so because to ultimately succeed in what he wants to do he deems it necessary; yet honestly, it doesn't seem to be the case unless they're going to involve him in some other aspect of the Secret Wars storyline that kicks off with this phase of the MCU.
But yeah I liked this a lot better than Black Widow, Black Panther Wakanda Forever, The Eternals and Ant-Man 3.
For me it's about on par with what I thought about Shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings.
I thought it was an enjoyable film. The cast did a good job with what they were given but if you didn't see or remember things from the Disney Plus' The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, or remembered some aspects from The Incredible Hulk, a film that is now 17 years old; yeah, certain aspects could have been better explained in the film; and I can see General audiences scratching their heads on some things as a result. They definitely didn't go out of their way to explain anything in that regard.
And I will also say that the final fight between the Red Hulk and Sam Wilson as Captain America stretched even comic book belief in that they make it clear that Sam Wilson is just a normal human who passed on taking the super soldier serum; and even with his vibranium enhanced wings, and other Wakandan enhanced gear he stood up to a very powerful Red Hulk a little too well Imo.
But the characters were well defined, and overall their motivations made sense.
the one other interesting thing was that the main villain was obviously The Leader from The Hulk's Rogues gallery; but neither he nor anyone else ever used that name once. The only time he was asked who he was, he responded, "I'm the hero."
Also, after one aspect of his plan fails, he claims he now needs to turn himself in and does so because to ultimately succeed in what he wants to do he deems it necessary; yet honestly, it doesn't seem to be the case unless they're going to involve him in some other aspect of the Secret Wars storyline that kicks off with this phase of the MCU.
But yeah I liked this a lot better than Black Widow, Black Panther Wakanda Forever, The Eternals and Ant-Man 3.
For me it's about on par with what I thought about Shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings.
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It now has the lowest CinemaScore of any MCU flick (B-).
I think part of it may have to do with the cumulative effect of MCU fatigue (D&W being the obvious exception due to the iconic team up and unabashed nostalgia bait).
Speculating, it tells me that the audience is becoming increasingly unforgiving of mediocrity. I haven't seen it, but it sounds like it doesn't deserve to be at the bottom of the barrel. 'Mid' does seem to be the dominant take, though. But after a succession of misfires, "not terrible" isn't enough.
The MCU of Phase 1 - 3 had a clear trajectory, with each successive movie becoming part of a larger canvas / story (while still being able to stand as individual films in their own right). The overarching story and stakes became apparent, with all the threads coalescing on a single antagonist. Phase 4 - 5 have been relatively underbaked fare, with few entries living up to the standards set by the previous phases (in particular Phase 3), with the only connective tissue being multiverse ... something.
Understand, I am a fan going back to the early 90's. X-Men was always my thing. I loved the MCU; was there for midnight showings for a lot of Phase 2 and almost all of Phase 3. The culmination of the Infinity Saga was something extraordinary. I stuck around for the D+ offerings and Phase 4, but they lost me. The last film I saw at the pictures was Dr. Strange 2. My then-partner and I decided to stick to D+ premieres. Then Thor 4 came along, and we ditched D+.
Ultimately this is a discussion thread about the movie. There is no need to be defensive; it's pretty obvious a lot of fans such as myself have checked out. As for what I posted re: the box office, they're metrics which are a good barometer of how a movie will perform. I'm not berating anyone for liking it.
Anyway, this appears to be the last film before the course correction (quality over quantity) that Iger promised. I can't say Thunderbolts * tickles my interest, but F4 is where I'm willing to give the MCU another shot. Don't care so much for the team, but I was a fan of the animated Silver Surfer series in the 90's. A chance to see the actual Galactus in the flesh, rather than whatever the hell that cloud was? I'll give it a shot.
As with any franchise, we're only commenting because we're fans at heart - even if not of the current output.
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I think you're forgetting how Phase 2 was regarded as a "Misfire" and how little it added to things until Phase 3 came along to pick up the threads.
Just back from seeing it and I enjoyed it a lot.
Oddly, it felt longer than the stated length of the movie, but at the same time I wasn't bored. I possibly got a little more than my friends out of it (I can't remember if they saw Eternals, but certainly not The Falcon & The Winter Soldier) so knew some of the characters going in, but they seemed to enjoy it too.
Oddly, it felt longer than the stated length of the movie, but at the same time I wasn't bored. I possibly got a little more than my friends out of it (I can't remember if they saw Eternals, but certainly not The Falcon & The Winter Soldier) so knew some of the characters going in, but they seemed to enjoy it too.
