I don't like this news about SNW season 3 from Screen Rant

[Dukhat]

Before then even. Simon Tarses in TNG The Drumhead had a Romulan grandfather who impregnated his grandmother non-consensually.

Do we actually know that?

PICARD: “Another man, Mister Simon Tarses, was brought to trial and it was a trial, no matter what others choose to call it. A trial based on insinuation and innuendo. Nothing substantive offered against Mister Tarses, much less proven. Mister Tarses' grandfather is Romulan, and for that reason his career now stands in ruins. Have we become so fearful? Have we become so cowardly that we must extinguish a man because he carries the blood of a current enemy?”

It sounds like at the time of Tarses’s grandfather and his grandmother conceiving, the Romulans were not considered enemies, but now that they are, Tarses felt the need to keep that secret. There is nothing else in the episode’s dialogue which indicates the conceiving was non-consensual.

 

[Mudd]

"Merely corroborative detail, intended to give artistic verisimilitude to an otherwise bald and unconvincing narrative.” Pooh-Bah: The Mikado: WS Gilbert.

One of my favorite storytelling quotes.

 

[The Wormhole]

They've no idea what hard SF is.

I suspect if any of that crowd were to watch or read actual hard SF they'd be bored to fuck.

Do we actually know that?

PICARD: “Another man, Mister Simon Tarses, was brought to trial and it was a trial, no matter what others choose to call it. A trial based on insinuation and innuendo. Nothing substantive offered against Mister Tarses, much less proven. Mister Tarses' grandfather is Romulan, and for that reason his career now stands in ruins. Have we become so fearful? Have we become so cowardly that we must extinguish a man because he carries the blood of a current enemy?”

It sounds like at the time of Tarses’s grandfather and his grandmother conceiving, the Romulans were not considered enemies, but now that they are, Tarses felt the need to keep that secret. There is nothing else in the episode’s dialogue which indicates the conceiving was non-consensual.

Hmm, it's possible I may have been thinking of his backstory provided in the novels, which made things far more explicit.

 

[Quinton]

There isn't much in that article to dislike, because there isn't much in that article.

Also, non-binary folks don't usually identify as such as some kind of bedroom kink. Just... uh, FYI?

 

[Quantum21]

https://screenrant.com/star-trek-strange-new-worlds-season-3-genres-music-tease/#thread

PROBABLY JUST MY OPINION! So far I have loved SNW season 1 and a few episodes of season 2, but it has now started to drop off. I feel that things have just been getting worse since episode 1, which felt like traditional "Star Trek". Captain Pike is currently my favorite captain, and he especially stood out to me (positively and basically made the second season for me) when I forced my self to watch DSC seasons 1 and 2 just to know what happened before SNW and had to endure Michael Burnham's terrible character arc.

Samson 1 had only 2 episodes that sucked: "Lift Us Where Suffering May Not Reach" because it was sad, followed by "The Elysium Kingdom" which wasn't a bad episode, but I didn't like it. Honorable mention is "The Serene Squall" for having a non-binary main antagonist, no need to force that on us please when that kind of thing should be left in the bedroom and no one cares.

Now I feel SNW is becoming more trouble than it's worth, especially since now I don't like quite a few episodes in season 2. "Subspace Rhapsody" is among the worst I've ever seen, though it was funny at parts which only redeems it little (I dare say Star Trek should have a serious tone with some light laughs thrown in such as "The Trouble With Tribbles", not be a comedy like this). The same goes for "Those Old Scientists", attempts to be too funny. Not a fan over Lower Decks from what I have seen. "Tomorrow, Tomorrow, and Tomorrow" ruins the Romulans because La'an sees them when no one should have to this point (though Pike did as well, but I think he can get away with that because he might just forget the visuals and instead just remember the events after the vision like some people do in other movies). Finally, "Hegemony ruins the Gorn for me because it now makes them the main enemy of SNW. Star Trek TOS, despite still not really having Canon from developing it still (and getting retconned several times of course by new trek shows) made it clear the federation had never encountered the Gorn like this before. This skirmish nearly turns into an all out war from what the season 3 episode 1 teaser shows.

Season 3 is not looking good, with the characters becoming Vulcan in the first ever teaser for season 3. And they're looking to diverge even more and make Star Trek "Not Star Trek" by sticking to classic themes. If anything, SNW should be working to stick with and get back to the feel and similar themes of Star Trek: The Original Series, because it takes place right before. This includes SNW now clearly becoming a MUCH more serialized show, though having a new event every episode things carry over too much. SNW is going downhill for me, and I really want to see them "improve". The very first episode, convirntly called "Strange New Worlds" was absolutely perfect, one of the best Trek episodes I have seen thus far from Kelvin Movies, TOS, TAS, TOS movies, TNG season 1, Trials and Tribblations, First Contact, Voy seasons up to 3, and DSC seasons 1 and 2. I just hope SNW "gets better" and much more like TOS episode atmospheres and feels.

It's just doing the wildly divergent genres TOS did. The oldsters should love it.

Face-palming the non-binary comment. Yes, those black people should stay off the screen too, there's no need for us to actually see them.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Also, non-binary folks don't usually identify as such as some kind of bedroom kink. Just... uh, FYI?

Huh?

 

[David cgc]

Huh?

Back at the dawn of time, OP said a character going by they/them was a sex thing that should be kept in the bedroom.

 

[Tuskin38]

Still wish they'd have had the Klingons do opera instead of K-Pop.

They didn't do that because it would have been too obvious, plus the Klingons love opera. Making them do something they really hate makes more sense.

Though there is an alternate version of the scene where they sing Human opera on the Blu-Ray

 

[Quinton]

Huh?

I was responding to the bizarre bit wherein the thread's creator said something about how the writers ought to have left the notion of a non-binary person "in the bedroom where it belongs", which is astonishingly off-the-mark. No non-binary person whom I've ever met, at least, regards an important element of their identity in such a narrow manner.

 

[ScottJ85]

"Lift Us Where Suffering May Not Reach"

Really? "Everyone lives in a beautiful utopia but there's a horrible secret" is a trope as old as Star Trek itself.

 

[Vulcanoid]

Really? "Everyone lives in a beautiful utopia but there's a horrible secret" is a trope as old as Star Trek itself.

But it's still a pretty good one.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Really? "Everyone lives in a beautiful utopia but there's a horrible secret" is a trope as old as Star Trek itself.

For that matter, there are plenty of Star Trek episodes that are sad, or with a sad ending, including well-regarded ones.

 

[Nerys Myk]

For that matter, there are plenty of Star Trek episodes that are sad, or with a sad ending, including well-regarded ones.

See any episode where Kirk falls in love.

 

[fireproof78]

Balance of Terror immediately springs to mind.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Private Little War.

 

[Greg Cox]

For that matter, there are plenty of Star Trek episodes that are sad, or with a sad ending, including well-regarded ones.

Indeed, the first season of TOS is packed with downbeat endings: Where No Man Has Gone Before, Charlie X, Balance of Terror, Conscience of the King, Mantrap, and, oh, yeah, the one with Edith Keeler.

Heck, in the first season alone, poor disfigured Vina gets left behind on Talos IV, McCoy discovers his old flame has been replaced by a salt vampire, Kirk has to kill his best friend, Kirk has to let the woman he loves die, etc.

And the subsequent seasons have plenty of sad endings, too. Whenever people complain that the latest Trek is too dark, I like to remind them that Kirk saw his pregnant wife stoned to death before his eyes . . . .

TOS was much darker, and less "utopian," than modern fans remember.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Indeed, the first season of TOS is packed with downbeat endings: Where No Man Has Gone Before, Charlie X, Balance of Terror, Conscience of the King, Mantrap, and, oh, yeah, the one with Edith Keeler.

Heck, in the first season alone, poor disfigured Vina gets left behind on Talos IV, McCoy discovers his old flame has been replaced by a salt vampire, Kirk has to kill his best friend, Kirk has to let the woman he loves die, etc.

And the subsequent seasons have plenty of sad endings, too. Whenever people complain that the latest Trek is too dark, I like to remind them that Kirk saw his pregnant wife stoned to death before his eyes . . . .

TOS was much darker, and less "utopian," than modern fans remember.

I always have to ask "What show were you watching?"

 

[Nerys Myk]

Conversely I ask the same question when people talk about how gloomy and dark "modern trek" is.

 

[Vulcanoid]

I always have to ask "What show were you watching?"

The one involving a family unit for a crew, with an intelligent child, an old coward, and a robot. Occasionally there's talking vegetables.

If only there was an option to constantly rewatch episodes over and over in a constant cycle in order to end certain arguments before they begin.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The one involving a family unit for a crew, with an intelligent child, an old coward, and a robot. Occasionally there's talking vegetables.

If only there was an option to constantly rewatch episodes over and over in a constant cycle in order to end certain arguments before they begin.

Hahahaha.