Spoilers STAR TREK: SECTION 31 - Grading & Discussion

[TRON JA307020]

Not talking in universe. Talking about creative choices. TMP chose to move away from aesthetic of TOS. They could have hewed closer (and Phase II did), but did not. TWOK moved further away. TNG even more.

In universe only two and a half years passed, anyway. The tech rarely changes much, just how it’s presented or named. Trek is pretty stagnant in that area. Slap quantum on it and call it more advanced.

It’s still laser beams, force fields and rayguns.

Exactly!

Decker: "Sir, you haven't logged a single star hour in 2 1/2 years."

Thst does not mean the years since kirk commanded the enterprise. Everyone has clearly aged more than 2 1/2 years. They all look 10 years older.

 

[Daedalus]

"18 months" on the refit. Not the ten years the response I replied to said.

I could have been more clear in my objection though.

Oh, I see! No worries.

Well, I'm 41 and I do want my favorite franchises to have lots of kids toys, because that's a sign of a healthy and growing property. My 3 year old put on his jumpsuit and goggles last week and started "fixing" his proton pack on the dining room table. Trek should be so lucky.

Whenever Trek has a new toy line come out, I'm elated. Then I'm totally deflated when it can't get past wave 1

 

[Nerys Myk]

Thst does not mean the years since kirk commanded the enterprise. Everyone has clearly aged more than 2 1/2 years. They all look 10 yeard older.

The ages of the actors are irrelevant.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Thst does not mean the years since kirk commanded the enterprise. Everyone has clearly aged more than 2 1/2 years. They all look 10 yeard older.

From what I gathered, and what most people think, it's saying that it was 2 1/2 years since the Enterprise came back from it's Five-Year Mission. 10 years since they last did Star Trek in the real world, 2 1/2 years in universe since their mission ended.

 

[Noname Given]

At least star trek V can finally say it's not the worst film in the franchise.

Oh yes it still can.

 

[Noname Given]

One Australian Romulan in particular comes to mind ...

Oh yes the Romulan from the northern continent on Romulus.

 

[TRON JA307020]

From what I gathered, and what most people think, it's saying that it was 2 1/2 years since the Enterprise came back from it's Five-Year Mission. 10 years since they last did Star Trek in the real world, 2 1/2 years in universe since their mission ended.

Fans say that but it never states it in the movie. When we get to TWOK they mention 15 years since the Khan adventure space seed. No way it was 12.5 years from TMP to TWOK

 

[Noname Given]

I don't know man. Most of the Trek under his thumb hasn't been that great. They can't even keep simple continuity straight. Constantly rewriting or severely contradicting what has been established even within itself. On a scale that I never saw with Trek..

Seriously, if you honestly believe that's the case then you either have not watched a lot of Star Trek; or you're looking at past Star Trek with some really Rose Colored glasses.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Fans say that but it never states it in the movie. When we get to TWOK they mention 15 years since the Khan adventure space seed. No way it was 12.5 years from TMP to TWOK

It's been long believed that (according to most fan lore) that it's 10 years after TMP when TWOK happens, in order to catch up to the ages of the cast.

But when we're picking up in TMP after TOS and they're saying it's been 2 1/2 years, I think it's a pretty safe bet to go with it being that time from TOS.

 

[cooleddie74]

TWOK is 12 years after TMP. Sorry, that's just how the math works out.

 

[Farscape One]

That is "true" in the most superficial sense of the word. They may have never actively changed what a TOS thing looked like, but they ignored and minimized as much of that era as they could. We saw the TOS Constitution I believe three times over the course of decades: Relics, Trials And Tribble-ations, and In A Mirror Darkly. If you're making a full show in that era, you need to make some changes so it doesn't look stupid.

I will defend the look of the Constitution class and her interiors. They do not look stupid. They look simpler, nothing more. I admire keeping things simple. There's an elegance to keeping things simplistic.

I would.

Manos: The Hands of Fate is a 1.

The Creeping Terror is a 1.

Battlefield Earth is a 1.

Section 31 was not a 1.

While I agree SECTION 31 isn't a '1' (I gave it a 3, but I think I was being kind), I can easily see this movie being a '1' to a lot of people. So I cannot dismiss those votes, especially considering the amount of ones and the negative reviews.



Side note: I do agree with you that BATTLEFIELD: EARTH is a '1'. Frankly, I'd call it a zero, if that were possible. It is the ONLY movie in my entire life that I started to watch but did not finish. I think I made it to about the halfway point and I just... couldn't do it anymore. I'd rather rewatch THE ROOM from Tommy Wiseau before finishing that one. Hell, I'd rather do THE ROOM and LEPRECHAUN: ORIGINS (I shudder at how terrible that movie was) again before completing BATTLEFIELD: EARTH.

I have not seen the other two you mentioned, so I have no idea about them.

 

[Macintosh]

But "Prodigy" occurs late in the 24th century. If it was the same Mirror Universe as DS9 depicted it and not another universe with a Terran Empire, it should imply that the rebels we saw in DS9 created a new Terran Empire (which I don't if that fits with the mindset of the characters we saw in DS9). But, still, that doesn't necessarily prove the Terran Empire should exist in a counterpart 2324.

The Prodigy production team confirmed it's the same Terran Empire that we see in the 23rd century, but by the 24th century it's a much smaller enclave consisting of just Earth and its immediate neighbours with the Klingon-Cardassian alliance having taken much of its territory.

 

[TRON JA307020]

It's been long believed that (according to most fan lore) that it's 10 years after TMP when TWOK happens, in order to catch up to the ages of the cast.

But when we're picking up in TMP after TOS and they're saying it's been 2 1/2 years, I think it's a pretty safe bet to go with it being that time from TOS.

No way 2.5 years between TOS and TMP. All the cast looked way too old. Its never stated in the movie. Its clear much more than 2.5 years have past. The crew obviously hasnt seen each other in several years.

 

[cooleddie74]

Yes, it's stated in the movie. It's been 2-1/2 years since Kirk logged a single star hour aboard the Enterprise. It's right there in the film. Chekov still basically looks the same, only he's now a Lieutenant. All of this has been in the movie itself since December of 1979.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

I'd argue it's more "Suicide Squad / Expendables". There's not much Spy-Craft in this movie and the amount of "Spy-Work" is so minimal that it's just kinda there.

I wasn't expecting "The Hunger Games" to be shoved into Gerogiou's back story of how she ascended to the Emperor's throne.


Section 31 is basically SD-6 for the UFP. If you watched the "Alias" TV show, you'd get the reference.

At first Section 31 was sanctioned underneath StarFleet Intelligence back in the Discovery-era.
Now that they've been kicked out, they're on their own.

I REALLY dislike the use of official StarFleet Insignia / Vessels once they've been kicked out.
They should stick to using Section 31 original designs for everything.

Section 31 is literally a organization of folks who are like the "Suicide Squad / Expendables" and organized to operate in Clandestine / Un-Sanctioned missions of their own choosing for the supposed benefit of the UFP so they can keep their idealistic Utopia w/o getting their hands dirty.

Any loss of Section 31 Members has no bearing on the UFP, the way they like it.

It allows plausible deniability .

It's definitely a 6/10 movie.

I agree. There was no spy-craft in this movie.

Section 31 should operate like a Cold War, spy thriller. Where investigation and espionage are their primary tactics deployed.


The showrunners and actors all stated that their aim was a Guardians of the Galaxy but with Trek. Instead, they delivered a band of misfits on a “murder & mayhem” spree across two universes. So many people (myself included) have said it Suicide Squad in space. They even did the breakdown intro of who is who, like Suicide Squad 2016 did for its characters.

It’s fine if they want to do that, but think of a different title than Section 31. Maybe, Star Trek Rebels?

 

[BillJ]

Yes, it's stated in the movie. It's been 2-1/2 years since Kirk logged a single star hour aboard the Enterprise.

It just says he hadn't logged a single starhour in two-and-a-half years. I'm sure CBS could cram a whole new Kirk series in between TOS and TMP!

 

[TRON JA307020]

Yes, it's stated in the movie. It's been 2-1/2 years since Kirk logged a single star hour aboard the Enterprise. It's right there in the film. Chekov still basically looks the same, only he's now a Lieutenant. All of this has been in the movie itself since December of 1979.

It never was said "aboard the enterprise". Decker clearly meant Kirk hadnt been on any ship for 2.5 years. He hadnt even logged a single star hour as an admiral during ship visits or inspections. The lesst we can say is 9 years from tos and than 6 years from TMP to TWOK. That gives time for a second 5 year mission(if it ever happened) and Kirk back home stewing for a year as an earth bound admiral having a mid life crisis thinking hes gotten too old to go back in space.

 

[Farscape One]

Decker said to Kirk that Kirk hasn't 'logged a space hour in 2 and a half years'.

In TWOK, Khan said they were put on Ceti Alpha V fifteen years prior to the the movie.

There's roughly 10 years in between TMP and TWOK, which makes sense given...

1. The age of the actors.

2. Chekov was the XO of the Reliant. As well rounded and good of an officer as he is, he is not going to jump from ensign to Commander in 3 or 4 years. Even Riker's career wasn't that fast.

3. The bridge, Sick Bay, and everywhere else on the Enterprise was different in some way than in TMP, indicating other refits were done between TMP and TWOK. Those aren't done overnight.


I completely buy that TWOK had a near decade long gap of time between it and TMP.

 

[Macintosh]

TWOK is 12 years after TMP. Sorry, that's just how the math works out.

Yes, it's stated in the movie. It's been 2-1/2 years since Kirk logged a single star hour aboard the Enterprise. It's right there in the film. Chekov still basically looks the same, only he's now a Lieutenant. All of this has been in the movie itself since December of 1979.

To be precise, Decker just says that Kirk hasn't logged a single star-hour in "two and a half years" – it's never confirmed whether it's specifically aboard the Enterprise.

TMP has a somewhat ambiguous five/six-year window in which it can take place. VOY: "Q2" explicitly states Kirk's five-year mission ended in 2270, so the absolute earliest it can possibly take place is the latter half of 2272, depending exactly when in 2270 Kirk's five year mission ended. But we know from TNG: "Cause and Effect" that the monster maroon uniforms were in use by 2278, so it must be before this. So TMP must be no earlier than mid-2272 and no later than mid-2278.

Personally I quite like the idea that TMP is in 2275, if for no reason than five years after the end of Kirk's five-year mission and ten years before TWOK is pleasingly neat and regular. But yeah, 100% behind the general idea that TWOK is a solid decade after TMP.

 

[Dar70]

Seriously, if you honestly believe that's the case then you either have not watched a lot of Star Trek; or you're looking at past Star Trek with some really Rose Colored glasses.

Not rose colored glasses. Sure there were errors here or there or things changed like no woman in Starfleet. But the Kurtzman era has gone out of their way to INTENTIONALLY change well know story points. Spock had a wife and Chapel didn't know T'pring for example. That is a HUGE change and people can skirt it all they want to. Fun house sized the online interiors, Kirk knowing Pike, A khan descendant arriving with Spock. The list goes on....