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Spoilers STAR TREK: SECTION 31 - Grading & Discussion

Rate the movie...

  • 10 - Excellent!

    Votes: 4 1.7%
  • 9

    Votes: 6 2.5%
  • 8

    Votes: 11 4.7%
  • 7

    Votes: 20 8.5%
  • 6

    Votes: 31 13.1%
  • 5

    Votes: 36 15.3%
  • 4

    Votes: 16 6.8%
  • 3

    Votes: 26 11.0%
  • 2

    Votes: 27 11.4%
  • 1 - Terrible!

    Votes: 59 25.0%

  • Total voters
    236
Oh, I know the answer to this; it's because it was a one-off and modern audiences couldn't tolerate it as a full series.
 
Enterprise already had the TOS style ship in the episide "In A Mirror Darkly". It worked great. They even updated the console and view screen graaphics. It looked much more advanced than the NX ships.
It really didn't. It looked like a novelty that was there purely for nostalgia.

Yes, I see lots of Star Trek fans posting on Star Trek boards that it looked fine. But that's a pretty self-selective audience. And it was the exact same audience who were still watching Enterprise towards the end.

It's pretty simple: when producers want to evoke nostalgia, they replicate the old designs, c.f. Relics, Tribbles, Mirror Darkly, Picard S3.

When they want viewers to look at it as something new, futuristic and exciting, they change the look: TMP, TNG, ST09, DSC, SNW. All were criticised by existing fans to some extent at the time.
 
Yes, I see lots of Star Trek fans posting on Star Trek boards that it looked fine. But that's a pretty self-selective audience. And it was the exact same audience who were still watching Enterprise towards the end.

It's pretty simple: when producers want to evoke nostalgia, they replicate the old designs, c.f. Relics, Tribbles, Mirror Darkly, Picard S3.

When they want viewers to look at it as something new, futuristic and exciting, they change the look: TMP, TNG, ST09, DSC, SNW. All were criticised by existing fans to some extent at the time.
One of the best bits of reasoning I've seen on the issue.
 
Enterprise already had the TOS style ship in the episide "In A Mirror Darkly". It worked great. They even updated the console and view screen graaphics. It looked much more advanced than the NX ships.
Yeah, the idea that you can't find a way to do the TOS ship in a modern setting is something I don't agree with at all.

I just watched Alien: Romulus the other night. That movie commits to doing the sets in the same manner and set design as Ridley Scott had for the Nostromo in 1979. And it works. For Andor, Tony Gilroy made all of the sets in the same style as what George Lucas had for A New Hope in 1977 (e.g., some of the Imperial sets use black and white monitors).

Beyond that, people are watching Star Trek. The audience already is primed to accept the reality of TOS as that version of "the future," and will go with it if the people who produce the show go with it too.
 
Yeah, the idea that you can't find a way to do the TOS ship in a modern setting is something I don't agree with at all.

I just watched Alien: Romulus the other night. That movie commits to doing the sets in the same manner and set design as Ridley Scott had for the Nostromo in 1979. And it works. For Andor, Tony Gilroy made all of the sets in the same style as what George Lucas had for A New Hope in 1977 (e.g., some of the Imperial sets use black and white monitors).

Beyond that, people are watching Star Trek. The audience already is primed to accept the reality of TOS as that version of "the future," and will go with it if the people who produce the show go with it too.
Yeah, those were all motion pictures from the late 1970s.

Kinda odd to compare modern productions emulating things from 70's films to trying to emulate a 1960's television show. It's kinda apples and orange.

Plus, both those franchises have a very different artistic style, compared to Star Trek. They embraced the well used and broken in look, compared to Trek's shiny and futuristic look.
 
Yeah, the idea that you can't find a way to do the TOS ship in a modern setting is something I don't agree with at all.

I just watched Alien: Romulus the other night. That movie commits to doing the sets in the same manner and set design as Ridley Scott had for the Nostromo in 1979. And it works. For Andor, Tony Gilroy made all of the sets in the same style as what George Lucas had for A New Hope in 1977 (e.g., some of the Imperial sets use black and white monitors).

Beyond that, people are watching Star Trek. The audience already is primed to accept the reality of TOS as that version of "the future," and will go with it if the people who produce the show go with it too.

Yes exactly. I keep sharing this. With a few minor tweaks it a absolutely fits in current Trek...the interiors I think they did a fine job just too big.

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Yeah, the idea that you can't find a way to do the TOS ship in a modern setting is something I don't agree with at all.

I just watched Alien: Romulus the other night. That movie commits to doing the sets in the same manner and set design as Ridley Scott had for the Nostromo in 1979. And it works. For Andor, Tony Gilroy made all of the sets in the same style as what George Lucas had for A New Hope in 1977 (e.g., some of the Imperial sets use black and white monitors).

Beyond that, people are watching Star Trek. The audience already is primed to accept the reality of TOS as that version of "the future," and will go with it if the people who produce the show go with it too.
As a lifelong Star Trek fan since after Star Wars but before Star Trek The Motion Picture, all I can say to that is that when we first saw the Enterprise bridge in Discovery season 2, it sent a shiver down my spine. I thought they recreated the design of the original in a very respectful way without making it look like it was made of plywood. It wasn't perfect. If I recall correctly, I remember thinking that they didn't need so many bloody lights on the bridge, but it was still the Enterprise bridge to me and it made my fanboy heart full.
 
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It really didn't. It looked like a novelty that was there purely for nostalgia.

So if there a real enterprise TOS style ship orbiting the earth today and you got a chance to visit it and they took you to the bridge and all the consoles had computer graphics(behind the winky blinkies which are screen savers) you would tell them it looks like a primitive ship and primitive bridge?
 
So if there a real enterprise TOS style ship orbiting the earth today and you got a chance to visit it and they took you to the bridge and all the consoles had computer graphics(behind the winky blinkies which are screen savers) you would tell them it looks like a primitive ship and primitive bridge?
If it has “computer graphics “ it’s definitely not a TOS style ship. ;)
 
So if there a real enterprise TOS style ship orbiting the earth today and you got a chance to visit it and they took you to the bridge and all the consoles had computer graphics(behind the winky blinkies which are screen savers) you would tell them it looks like a primitive ship and primitive bridge?
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As a lifelong Star Trek fan since after Star Wars but before Star Trek The Motion Picture, all I can say to that is that when we first saw the Enterprise bridge in Discovery season 2, it sent a shiver down my spine. I thought they recreated the design of the original in a very respectful way without making it look like it was made of plywood. It wasn't perfect. If I recall correctly, I remember thinking that they didn't need so many bloody lights on the bridge, but it was still the Enterprise bridge to me, and it made my fanboy heart full.
If people like it and identify with it, more power to you and I'm not going to take it away from those that really love it. But, speaking only for myself, I think it's great production and set design. And props to the people who created it. However, it doesn't feel connected to TOS for me.

When I look at the Strange New Worlds bridge (and some of the other stylistic and story choices they've made), I don't get the feeling this is one day going to be the same place as what I saw in TOS. It feels like it's its own thing. And there's nothing wrong with that if people love this version of Star Trek. But I don't feel that connection to it in the same way.
 
If it has “computer graphics “ it’s definitely not a TOS style ship. ;)

Ah but STE changed that. They basically showed that the winky blinkies were just a type of screen saver and that a crew member could acess the panel when needed. Baiscally when not in use we see the screen go back to winky blinkies. So it was a pefectly excellent explanation.
 
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