Spoilers The Controversial Star Wars Opinion Thread

[Gaith]

The Separatist crisis seems to have been going on for several years before the Clone Wars began. Palpatine was already a few years over his term limits to deal with it. Meaning diplomatic solutions were possibly attempted.

If the Republic still hadn't decided on making a military, though, how much of a "crisis" could it be?

It might also be that Palpatine was running a no break way planets policy.

I can see why he'd want that, to help foment a war, but again: why would the rest of the Republic care about seceding planets? Because of trade route taxation?

 

[Ithekro]

The Core Worlds are largely city worlds that need a constant supply of goods from the other worlds to support their populations. If the other planets break away, will they still get their goods? Would the prices go up substantially? What good is it if the state of New York broke away from the City of New York and started blocking shipments of goods to the city?

As for the military, the Republic hadn't had a standing military for a thousand years, and the Senate is slow and corrupt. Plus, the situations could have been escalating over those years as more systems joined the Separatists. Padme was doing her best to stall the Act as she wanted negotiations. More and more Hawks as things get worse and worse for the Republic. No telling how many refugees there would be for Republic loyalist forced to leave Separatist worlds.

 

[BillJ]

How I wish he'd hired Timothy Zahn to write the PT.

For thirty years, I've desperately tried to get into his sequel trilogy of novels. They just don't work for me.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

For thirty years, I've desperately tried to get into his sequel trilogy of novels. They just don't work for me.

I thought the first book was ugh, so I stopped right there. See the Ysalamiri. What a truly terrible idea. They got a nod in canon in the form of Easter egg statues in the background that thankfully are not elaborated upon (IIRC/AFAIK).

The character of Thrawn works well enough in canon, though, so I'm fine with that.

 

[BillJ]

I though the first book was ugh, so I stopped right there. See the Ysalamiri. What a truly terrible idea. They got a nod in canon in the form of Easter egg statues in the background that thankfully are not elaborated upon (IIRC/AFAIK).

The character of Thrawn works well enough in canon, though, so I'm fine with that.

I found the Luke, Leia, Han stuff incredibly dull and difficult to get through.

 

[Tuskin38]

I though the first book was ugh, so I stopped right there. See the Ysalamiri. What a truly terrible idea. They got a nod in canon in the form of Easter egg statues in the background that thankfully are not elaborated upon (IIRC/AFAIK).

Yeah, because Filoni follows George's vision of the force in that nothing can negate the force, and that nothing can exist outside of it.

Edit: Going back to the racism in the Empire in the current canon, a new comic made a reference to it.

Spoiler

Claiming the New Republic is corrupt due to 'alien minds'

 

[Turtletrekker]

I enjoyed the original Thrawn trilogy well enough, but I never considered it the be-all and end-all of non-Lucas Star Wars storytelling that some fans consider it to be. Likewise, I thought that Thrawn was a good character, and how he used a world's art to determine a strategy against them was a fascinating aspect of his character, but I thought he was presented as just a little too infallible.

I mean, the guy only made one error in the entirety of the trilogy, and that was due to information that he didn't possess, and that one error was what brought him down. If he were a woman, he would have been called a Mary Sue.

 

[fireproof78]

Yeah, because Filoni follows George's vision of the force in that nothing can negate the force, and that nothing can exist outside of it.

Edit: Going back to the racism in the Empire in the current canon, a new comic made a reference to it.

Spoiler

Claiming the New Republic is corrupt due to 'alien minds'

Sounds similar to the First Order speech by Hux.

It's one of the things I truly appreciated about The Force Awakens, The Last Jedi and then the Mandalorian in the world building of a post Empire galaxy: order was sought after.

People's perception of the ship designs I'm the ST might be that it's uninspired but I think it's something that makes sense in universe. If you say the Galaxy is a place of disorder and find the new government weak it only makes sense to project power through familiar iconographic designs.

More interesting to me is that what could be called to mind as a symbol of Republic power in the Old Republic before the Clone Wars?

 

[Gaith]

Ysalamiri don't negate or exist outside the Force, necessarily; they're described as pushing it away, like a bubble of air pushes away water. And, IIRC, the omniscient narrator never describes exactly what they are or how they work, only laymen, non-Force expert characters do. So, there's some room for ambiguity. That said, I hardly see a problem with giving a superhero a weakness. (And depriving Luke of his powers made for some excellent character interaction.)

I mean, the guy only made one error in the entirety of the trilogy, and that was due to information that he didn't possess, and that one error was what brought him down.

Ian Malcolm might argue that he also made a far bigger error, which was really a hundred or more errors, from a certain point of view: the hubris of thinking he could harness and control something as inherently chaotic as a dark Jedi, never mind a mentally ill one. Every moment he failed to murder C'baoth was a mistake. C'baoth may have been vital to his plans, but a guy as smart as Thrawn could have come up with other, safer plans, even if they took longer to implement.

As for the Skywalker scent weakness, that fits thematically into his evil of using people as pawns. It wasn't something arbitrary, like "Noghri bodyguards have a secret religious duty to kill their bosses on one particular day ever seventeen years." It was poetic justice - and that's just plain good writing.

 

[Set Harth]

They got a nod in canon in the form of Easter egg statues in the background that thankfully are not elaborated upon (IIRC/AFAIK).

I did not notice that! At least as far as I can remember.

I mean, the guy only made one error in the entirety of the trilogy, and that was due to information that he didn't possess

His losses always come down to information he didn't possess. In Ahsoka he had no idea Baylan had a secret agenda.

 

[Tuskin38]

I did not notice that! At least as far as I can remember.

they're in his office. There's even a shot where where it looks like they're on his shoulders.

 

[fireproof78]

they're in his office. There's even a shot where where it looks like they're on his shoulders.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

But by calling it mumbo jumbo it devalues what the property is founded on.

The central issue. Well put.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

The central issue. Well put.

Are we ready to move on?

It's fine that we disagree on interpretation IMO, it's art.

People do interpret things differently.
That's natural for human beings.
Not everybody will see things from the same PoV when viewing the same works.

We can be civil and still enjoy the same things.

We're all here because we like the same IP's / Franchises.

TREK_GOD_1, you like Star Trek, Star Wars, Marvel & DC.

I'm the same as you, we both enjoy the same Franchises.

We're alot more alike as fans of these major Franchises than we are different.

So what if we don't interpret things 100% identically.

When has that ever been that big of an issue?

Can we have peace and just enjoy the same things as fellow fans?

 

[Set Harth]

 

[Tuskin38]

Revan is overrated

Part of the fanbase love to prop him up… but he’s not really a character.

 

[Set Harth]

Right! He's... you. Meaning the player.

 

[fireproof78]

Revan is overrated

Part of the fanbase love to prop him up… but he’s not really a character.

Total cipher that is best forgotten.

 

[Tuskin38]

Later books, and even the SWTOR MMO tried to make him into a character, but he still felt very two dimensional.

And I hate they gave a player customizable character a 'canon' appearance, and of course he's a white male, they also did it with KOTOR2, the exile is a white woman.

They did the same thing with the player character from Jedi Academy, 'canonically' a white human male.

 

[cooleddie74]

Eh. I can take him or leave him. I really like his character design in terms of costume and appearance. And his action figures are pretty nice.