What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[at Quark's]

Warp capabilities are shown for the various ships. That's a major component of exploration.

Not necessarily, I think. High warp is mainly important if you need to get to faraway places fast.

But there are somewhere between 100,000,000,000 and 400,000,000,000 star systems to be explored in our galaxy alone, a staggering number.

Take the following analogy.

Suppose the largest global sociological survey ever is undertaken - every settlement on earth with 10 people or more is to be mapped, its members interviewed, and the sociological structure of every settlement must be described and analyzed in documents. There are a 1000 teams and they have a go at it.

After a decade, they gather again and conclude only 5% of the task has been completed, as there are so many settlements and recording the internal sociological organisation of every settlement simply takes time - it means staying at each settlement for a few days or perhaps even weeks.

When faced with this kind of 'mapping task', how relevant do you think it is nearly any specific place on earth could potentially be reached within 24 hours by planes and helicopters? I'd say it has become fairly insignificant. The problem is not getting to any single particular spot fast, the problem is getting to all the spots (which there are incredibly many of) (and perhaps even finding them in the first place) and each and every one requires a significant investment of time to explore and document properly up close.

This is only an analogy, of course. We don't know what 'exploration' involves exactly, in the Starfleet sense of the word.

Still, I think it's very possible that having an amazing sensor suite on board is far more important to 'efficient exploration' than having very high warp capability.

 

[Shawnster]

How do you measure "Exploration Capabilities" of a StarShip?

What are your parameters?

How do the sensors of an Oberth compare to a Miranda?

How does the SNARE sensor on the Constellation class work?

Which sensor package works better for stellar phenomena? Detecting cloaked ships? Distinguishing between Vulcan and Romulan life signs?

 

[at Quark's]

Please do not derail this thread with this conversation. The Admins have been made aware of the issue.

Thanks

I initially misread this as 'Please do not derail this thread with conversation.' and thought 'huh? are we only supposed to hit each other over the head with our controversial opinions from now on?'

 

[Citiprime]

What’s odd is, by this point baldness should be an aesthetic choice, not an uncontrollable medical condition. Picard and Sisko both look great bald.

Patrick Stewart tells a story in interviews that when he was chosen for Picard they had a press conference and one of the reporters asked how in the 24th century would there be a "bald captain" of the Enterprise? Wouldn't they have solved baldness in a future with transporters and warp drive?

And Stewart says Gene Roddenberry responded that by the 24th century people won't care if someone is bald. I remember him telling that to Graham Norton, and saying it made him feel better about performing the role.

 

[Farscape One]

Not necessarily, I think. High warp is mainly important if you need to get to faraway places fast.

But there are somewhere between 100,000,000,000 and 400,000,000,000 star systems to be explored in our galaxy alone, a staggering number.

Take the following analogy.

Suppose the largest global sociological survey ever is undertaken - every settlement on earth with 10 people or more is to be mapped, its members interviewed, and the sociological structure of every settlement must be described and analyzed in documents. There are a 1000 teams and they have a go at it.

After a decade, they gather again and conclude only 5% of the task has been completed, as there are so many settlements and recording the internal sociological organisation of every settlement simply takes time - it means staying at each settlement for a few days or perhaps even weeks.

When faced with this kind of 'mapping task', how relevant do you think it is nearly any specific place on earth could potentially be reached within 24 hours by planes and helicopters? I'd say it has become fairly insignificant. The problem is not getting to any single particular spot fast, the problem is getting to all the spots (which there are incredibly many of) (and perhaps even finding them in the first place) and each and every one requires a significant investment of time to explore and document properly up close.

This is only an analogy, of course. We don't know what 'exploration' involves exactly, in the Starfleet sense of the word.

Still, I think it's very possible that having an amazing sensor suite on board is far more important to 'efficient exploration' than having very high warp capability.

That's a fair point and example, but to continue using the example, if you can get to destinations quickly, you cut the overall time it takes to get all that information. If you have a decade to collect data, a slow ship would mean you spend (just shooting numbers here) 2 years just in travel time between destinations. A fast ship, you only spend 6 months of travel time between spots. You can get a LOT more done in that extra time collecting data because you saved time that would otherwise be spent on just getting from point A to B.

In the end, who'll likely have more data gathered... the ship who only spent 8 years with people, or the ship who spent 9 and half years? Have enough groups like that, and you suddenly have 7 or 8% information gathered instead of 5%.


Another point... faster ships mean they get to an emergency quicker. Say a small colony has to be evacuated. Or a medical emergency like a plague. Or natural disaster and they need aid quickly. There's a lot of non-military uses for having faster speed.

 

[at Quark's]

^Oh, sure. I'm not saying it wouldn't make any difference at all, just that it might be less of a decisive factor than one might think when speaking about exploration. Suppose with current technology and manpower it would cost Starfleet seven additional centuries to explore the rest of the galaxy; the moment they develop instantaneous transportation (and nothing else changes) it might still cost them five.

And of course there are important benefits to faster means of transportation too, some of which you mention.

 

[B.J.]

Ordinance can serve a purpose, even during peaceful explorations.

I have no issue with ordinance. I know how to handle ordinance, and the nurse practitioner and I have plans to go out shooting despite our working in the healthcare field.

Ordinance is quite useful. I just wouldn't mind seeing the stats on scientific equipment too in games like Starfleet Battles or STO.

Nitpick: It's ordnance (no "i"). From grammarist: An ordinance is a municipal or county law. Ordnance is a mass noun referring to military materials such as weapons, ammunition, equipment, and vehicles.

 

[fireproof78]

Nitpick: It's ordnance (no "i"). From grammarist: An ordinance is a municipal or county law. Ordnance is a mass noun referring to military materials such as weapons, ammunition, equipment, and vehicles.

Adjusted.

Thank you.

 

[oktay]

I wish Paramount would license the completed New Trek series such as Star Trek Discovery and Star Trek Lower Decks to Netflix all over the world with non-exclusive agreements, so that many people in Turkey and other countries where Paramount is not available would have the opportunity to watch Star Trek Discovery and Lower Decks. How nice?

 

[Nerys Myk]

I wish Paramount would license the completed New Trek series such as Star Trek Discovery and Star Trek Lower Decks to Netflix all over the world with non-exclusive agreements, so that many people in Turkey and other countries where Paramount is not available would have the opportunity to watch Star Trek Discovery and Lower Decks. How nice?

Probably not all that controversial.

 

[fireproof78]

Probably not all that controversial.

I hope Paramount quits streaming all together and let's people just buy physical media.


Better?

 

[137th Gebirg]

Lots

 

[Nerys Myk]

I hope Paramount quits streaming all together and let's people just buy physical media.


Better?

That's how you play the game!!!

 

[Avro Arrow]

I hope Paramount quits streaming all together and let's people just buy physical media.

As Star Trek fans, we're very lucky that Paramount does release all their Paramount+ original Star Trek titles as physical media, rather than just leaving them as streaming exclusives, like so many other streamers do.

 

[kkt]

During a time when life expectancy probably didn’t exceed beyond 40 or 50 on the outside, she was close to middle-aged.

Common misunderstanding. The average life expectency was that low, but that was mostly because there was very high infant mortality and death in childbirth then. It was not that unusual for someone who made it to adulthood to live to their 70s or even longer.

 

[nightwind1]

I mean, Starfleet seems to me a pretty direct parallel to the Navy, from the branch divisions (engineering, comms, etc.) to the more obvious rank divisions.

Nope. More like the US Coast Guard.

(Former USCG Petty Officer here. SEMPER PARATUS)

 

[oktay]

I hope Paramount quits streaming all together and let's people just buy physical media.


Better?

I think it would be better for Paramount to withdraw from the streaming business and sell the old and finished New Trek TV series and old Star Trek movies to Netflix so that they can produce new Star Trek TV shows. I think the streaming business will also be withdrawn in the short or long term.

 

[oktay]

Look at us too. As foreign platforms: Netflix, Prime Video, Disney Plus and TOD Turkey, which is a platform of Qatar's Bein Group and officially brought to us with a different interface and content catalog, is officially a knock-off of TOD in the Middle East.

MAX is coming soon as a US global platform. The only ones not coming are Paramount Plus and Apple TV+.


Look, Paramount did not even bring Skyshowtime, which was established together with Universal to be broadcast in Eastern European countries like Türkiye, to the country.


Look, we also have old Star Trek series dubbed in Turkish on Netflix. Old movies have subtitles on iTunes.


As for your New Trek business. After the first 3 seasons of Discovery were released on Netflix with Turkish dubbing; 4 and 5 were not released. But in Spain, JustWatch also has a platform called Movieplass with 5 seasons. Together with Skyshowtime.


The first 2 seasons of Strange New World were aired by TOD Turkey with Turkish dubbing. But since they aired it with seasonal agreements, they were removed when the agreement ended, but they can air a 3rd season. There are many series where TOD removes old seasons and airs new seasons.

Picard also has 3 seasons on Prime, of course. Subtitled. Lower Decks aired its first 3 seasons on Prime with subtitles, but dropped out after season 3.

We also have local platforms but Paramount Plus takes and broadcasts TV series made by famous movie stars. There is no one who takes and broadcasts any New Trek work in its entirety. On the other hand, you can watch the old ones of the crappy The Walking Dead TV series's owned by AMC on foreign platforms such as Netflix, Disney Plus and Prime Video as well as the new ones on local platforms such as Turkcell TV+ as Turkcell TV+ Special. exclusively.

 

[Nyotarules]

Hi Oktay

Please use paragraphs in your message, it will be easier to read.

 

[oktay]

There is no one who takes and broadcasts any New Trek work in its entirety

Actually, I said that Discovery and Lower Decks are not platforms that broadcast all seasons, apart from that, we also have Prodigy and Netflix.