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Spoilers The Controversial Star Wars Opinion Thread

It's a different cultural view on marriage, but it's not a new concept or unique concept.

There are a lot of people out there who don’t want their children to have different views on marriage. As Star Wars is a business, Disney isn’t going to limit potential customers for something that doesn’t even fit the universe.
 
There are a lot of people out there who don’t want their children to have different views on marriage. As Star Wars is a business, Disney isn’t going to limit potential customers for something that doesn’t even fit the universe.
So "Business as Usual", same old, same old.

Time to go back to the "Same Old Star Wars Tropes".
 
Star Wars is Disney’s to do with as they please. They own it. Which is why I think people were telling you that you might be more satisfied creating your own universe.
Indeed.

I love what a friend of mine told another friend who expressed deep anger at Lucas for ignoring the books and thus making all the facts memorized useless (at the time it was Lucas): Lucas can do whatever the hell he wants with Star Wars and doesn't owe me a damn thing.

It was a useful learning experience for me.
 
Star Wars is Disney’s to do with as they please. They own it. Which is why I think people were telling you that you might be more satisfied creating your own universe.
But I won't ever be satisfied doing that.

I want to be part of Star Wars & Star Trek Universe.

I don't want my own Universe, I rather live in the ones I enjoy and add to it.
 
But I won't ever be satisfied doing that.

I want to be part of Star Wars & Star Trek Universe.

I don't want my own Universe, I rather live in the ones I enjoy and add to it.

I think you’re fearful of letting go. You obviously have an imagination, even if I’m not exactly on board with many of your proposals. Don’t make it a slave to something that isn’t yours.
 
The problem with Anakin is he has no agency.

The Jedi didn't teach him right.

Palpatine trapped him.

Padme made him afraid.

Obi-Wan should have taught him better.

Mace taught him wrong.

Zero agency.
I think he has more agency than you're giving him credit for.
Nobody forced him to murder a whole village of Tuskens. One could argue temporary insanity, but he then utterly fails to report his actions to the council, and surrender himself to face justice for his unspeakable crimes. That's a choice. He chose to remain a Jedi because he likes to feel powerful and important.

Nobody forced him to flagrantly violate Jedi rules and get married, let alone making others complicit in the deception so he gets to maintain a position of privilege. He could have left the order, married Padme, and the Order wouldn't have stopped him. He chose to have a wife AND remain a Jedi. It wasn't about what was right or just, it was about what he wanted for himself. Again, he chose power and prestige.

Palpatine may have whispered in his ear, suggested, or even gaslit from time to time, but he never forced Anakin to do *anything*. He could have saved Windu and ended Palaptine right then and there. He chose the opposite because he wanted to keep Padme. Nevermind the fact that if Padme have been given the choice, she wouldn't have hesitated to sacrifice her life to bring an end to tyranny. That was entirely Anakin's choice, and he again chose the selfish option. It have nothing to do with Padme's welfare and everything to do with his own possessive wants and needs.

I don't see how Obi-Wan is responsible for any of this. He taught Anakin all he needed to be a Jedi, but you can't teach a person to be selfless if they don't want to be. Ultimately, Anakin could not and would not let go of the things he thought should be his.

This selfish tendency even extends into his relationship with Ahsoka. The way he talks about her after she leaves, you'd think she deliberately did so to spite him. He talks about her letting him down. Then what she comes back, he hands her sabres back to her (about as personal a possession as any Jedi could have), only for her to find that he's gone and altered them to reflect himself; changed the blades to show *his* colour. That's a choice, and whether he consciously understands the underlying motivation or not, he chose to mark Ahsoka (in her absence) as "his".

As for Windu; he clearly had his own flaws, but not teaching Anakin well enough is hardly one of them. For starters he's not his Padawan and so that's not his responsibility. For another thing; he's proven right about Anakin in the long run. He was too old to be trained, and he proved he was not trustworthy.

Plus of course there's the most important decision ever made; to sacrifice his life to save his son, and free the galaxy in the process. Finally; a selfless choice. So yeah; agency abounds! ;)
 
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I think you’re fearful of letting go. You obviously have an imagination, even if I’m not exactly on board with many of your proposals. Don’t make it a slave to something that isn’t yours.
I don't consider myself "A Slave".

I consider myself a contributer to a existing work / universe.

I want to add many pieces of my ideas to the existing work and let it continue on into the future where others can play with it as well.

If other folks can add to Star Trek or Star Wars, why can't I help with ideas.

Currently, in the time frame that Rey SkyWalker exists, there are no more "Jedi Order" or "Sith Rule of 2 members".

Both of the old guard are "GONE/DEAD".

The slate has been wiped clean, and there needs to be new antagonists.

I offer a way to create a believable endless array of antagonists for our protagonists to battle, especially over time.
 
If other folks can add to Star Trek or Star Wars, why can't I help with ideas.

Now imagine if Roddenberry had just said, "why can't I just add to Forbidden Planet?" Or, Lucas got the go ahead to just add to Flash Gordon? Or Bioware had just made a Star Trek game, instead of creating Mass Effect?

If you feel you have talent, make your own mark. Don't hide in someone else's shadow.
 
Now imagine if Roddenberry had just said, "why can't I just add to Forbidden Planet?" Or, Lucas got the go ahead to just add to Flash Gordon? Or Bioware had just made a Star Trek game, instead of creating Mass Effect?

If you feel you have talent, make your own mark. Don't hide in someone else's shadow.
That's the thing, I don't want to make my own work.

It has nothing to with hiding in somebodies shadow.

I like playing in other people's universes.

I have no desire to make my own universe, if I did, I would've done that ages ago.

I'm happy to contribute, to help, to improve things in what already exists.

That's what I want to do.
 
That's the thing, I don't want to make my own work.

It has nothing to with hiding in somebodies shadow.

I like playing in other people's universes.

I have no desire to make my own universe, if I did, I would've done that ages ago.

I'm happy to contribute, to help, to improve things in what already exists.

That's what I want to do.

Then no one is really going to take you seriously. Especially TPTB at Disney.
 
All things start small, just need to get a few ideas in, little by little.

Nope. One has to prove that they can handle all kinds of projects. Lucas didn't show up one day and FOX just handed him the money for Star Wars. He had a track record of being able to head up his own projects.

Most authors will tell you that you need to be writing your own things versus trying to show up at Pocket Books without any experience wanting to write Trek books. I imagine the same is true for Star Wars.

They want a track record, not that you know nothing but Star Wars and Star Trek.

Hey, at the end of the day? You do you.
 
Nope. One has to prove that they can handle all kinds of projects. Lucas didn't show up one day and FOX just handed him the money for Star Wars. He had a track record of being able to head up his own projects.

Most authors will tell you that you need to be writing your own things versus trying to show up at Pocket Books without any experience wanting to write Trek books. I imagine the same is true for Star Wars.

They want a track record, not that you know nothing but Star Wars and Star Trek.

Hey, at the end of the day? You do you.
I'm more of a In-Universe Lore Master & Technical Details guy.

Not a Writer. I leave the writing to the Professional Writers.

I'll come up with the World Building, the technical specs, the historical progression, etc.
 
I'm more of a In-Universe Lore Master & Technical Details guy.

Not a Writer. I leave the writing to the Professional Writers.

I'll come up with the World Building, the technical specs, the historical progression, etc.

No one's a writer, until they write something. You might surprise yourself.

Sorry for the derail. Back to your regularly scheduled 'Controversial Opinions'.
 
No one's a writer, until they write something. You might surprise yourself.

Sorry for the derail. Back to your regularly scheduled 'Controversial Opinions'.
I know what I'm good at specializing.

World Building, Technical Details.

That's what I do on the Trek side as well.

I can setup the Frame Work, the general guide lines.

The major plot points.

But I'll leave the professional writing to those who specialize in it.

I help in a very different way.
 
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