Star Trek TOS Re-Watch

[Lord Garth]

My favorite shot in the episode, I can't believe I left this out: When Good Kirk is beamed aboard the Enterprise, Kirk and Scotty leave the transporter room, then Evil Kirk materializes. Cue the piano. And the close-up shot facing upward where Evil Kirk turns around for the Dramatic Reveal before the credits!

 

[Airin]

If "The Enemy Within" had been made after "The Galileo Seven", then it's a point I would've brought up and held against the episode.

I checked the script dates in These Are the Voyages: TOS Season One , and by the time they were doing the last revisions on "The Enemy Within" there were already two teleplay drafts of "The Galileo Seven". So they should have known that shuttles would appear in the series.

Of course it's possible they just hoped that viewers wouldn't remember. Though on the other hand, they put a lot of effort on details (for example, checking with scientific researchers for possible errors), that almost nobody in the audience would notice.

 

[Lord Garth]

I checked the script dates in These Are the Voyages: TOS Season One , and by the time they were doing the last revisions on "The Enemy Within" there were already two teleplay drafts of "The Galileo Seven". So they should have known that shuttles would appear in the series.

Of course it's possible they just hoped that viewers wouldn't remember. Though on the other hand, they put a lot of effort on details (for example, checking with scientific researchers for possible errors), that almost nobody in the audience would notice.

They most likely decided to leave "The Enemy Within" alone rather than come up with a plot reason to explain why they couldn't use the shuttles. If the atmosphere was too hazardous for shuttles, then it would be too hazardous for Sulu and the others to barely survive. Going into all of that, and trying to find ways to explain everything away, would've taken away from the episode.

Once you start writing and re-writing, it's a long string of dominoes where one thing effects everything else. They probably felt under pressure to meet deadlines, felt like it was more trouble than it was worth, and yeah, they counted on the audience not knowing about shuttles yet and that they'd forget by the time "The Galileo Seven" would air.

 

[ZapBrannigan]

My explanation for there being no mention of the shuttlecraft in "The Enemy Within" is simple: the Enterprise carried only two shuttles in those early days. One of them was getting an overhaul at Starbase 11, and the other was deployed on a very distant errand, like in "Metamorphosis."

Nobody mentioned this unlucky fact on camera because it was known to all, and there was no point in moaning about it. You get on with trying to find a solution that can be done.

Soon after this near disaster, Connies were flying with four shuttles (per "The Omega Glory"). Barn door closed.

Apollo 14 through 17 flew with a lot more resources packed into the Command and Service modules: more power, more oxygen, more water, more CO2 filters, and way better insulation to encase vital wiring. But nobody on Apollo 13 wasted time bitching about what they didn't have.

My favorite shot in the episode, I can't believe I left this out: When Good Kirk is beamed aboard the Enterprise, Kirk and Scotty leave the transporter room, then Evil Kirk materializes. Cue the piano. And the close-up shot facing upward where Evil Kirk turns around for the Dramatic Reveal before the credits!

Stewie played that scene once on Family Guy, complete with the thundering Sol Kaplan music and high-drama of turning to face the camera. It was great. I can't find a clip.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

It just occurred to me that rejoined, Kirk has the memories of both half-Kirks. Would both memories be hazy, or one be clearer than the other? A meld with Spock might help him sort it out.

 

[ZapBrannigan]

It just occurred to me that rejoined, Kirk has the memories of both half-Kirks. Would both memories be hazy, or one be clearer than the other? A meld with Spock might help him sort it out.

Another nook in Kirk's mind: after "Turnabout," he knows how it feels, physically, to be the opposite sex.

In The Tale of the Body Thief, Anne Rice let on that being a woman wasn't that great. But at least Kirk knows it for himself. And of course YMMV.

 

[Lord Garth]

My explanation for there being no mention of the shuttlecraft in "The Enemy Within" is simple: the Enterprise carried only two shuttles in those early days. One of them was getting an overhaul at Starbase 11, and the other was deployed on a very distant errand, like in "Metamorphosis."

Nobody mentioned this unlucky fact on camera because it was known to all, and there was no point in moaning about it. You get on with trying to find a solution that can be done.

Soon after this near disaster, Connies were flying with four shuttles (per "The Omega Glory"). Barn door closed.

Apollo 14 through 17 flew with a lot more resources packed into the Command and Service modules: more power, more oxygen, more water, more CO2 filters, and way better insulation to encase vital wiring. But nobody on Apollo 13 wasted time bitching about what they didn't have.

Head-Canon accepted! I'll even do you one better. After what happened in this episode, Kirk sent a request to Starfleet for the Enterprise to have more shuttles so something like this wouldn't happen again.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Or he's requisitioned new ones after his old ones got destroyed in a fire fight.

 

[cooleddie74]

Happy New Year, everybody!

 

[Warped9]

People who never watched TOS: Spock and all Vulcans have no emotions.

People who watch TOS: Spock and all Vulcans have emotions, but generally suppress them.

 

[Phaser Two]

Happy New Year, everybody!

Yup! People who drag Shatner and the Kirk character (particularly using such tired, shopworn tropes) really seem like they could use more Christmas cheer. If only it were limited to those who haven't seen TOS.

 

[cooleddie74]

Chris Pine's Kirk is closer to the womanizing skirt chaser and action hero that people picture in their heads when they think of Shatner's Kirk.

 

[Phaser Two]

Of course! I never once accused JJ and his team of truly understanding TOS. Hey, there was Star Wars to social "climb" to!

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

I suppose the different upbringing Kelvinverse Kirk had may have played into it. He was still supposedly a "genius-level offender", but hadn't applied himself the way Kirk Prime had. It's certainly a good reason why he became the Kirk stereotype.

 

[Phaser Two]

I suppose the different upbringing Kelvinverse Kirk had may have played into it. He was still supposedly a "genius-level offender", but hadn't applied himself the way Kirk Prime had. It's certainly a good reason why he became the Kirk stereotype.

I admire your efforts to defend the Kelvinverse.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Well, you can't tell me growing up without a father will leave no mark on poor Jim.

 

[Lord Garth]

Well, you can't tell me growing up without a father will leave no mark on poor Jim.

Even though I'm not a fan of the Kelvin Films, I agree with this.

 

[Phaser Two]

Well, you can't tell me growing up without a father will leave no mark on poor Jim.

Conveniently transforming him into the exact superficial stereotype espoused by people who don't get TOS? Sure, I guess. Incidentally, there's IMO far better-founded speculation that Kirk's father was killed on Tarsus IV. Or, if you believe SNW to be in the same reality as TOS, Kirk hardly knew his father. But in either case he still ended up as he was in TOS.

As I said, I appreciate your efforts to justify the Kelvinverse.

 

[Warped9]

Well, you can't tell me growing up without a father will leave no mark on poor Jim.

You’re assuming that TOS Kirk grew up without a father and there is no evidence to substantiate that.

 

[Phaser Two]

You’re assuming that TOS Kirk grew up without a father and there is no evidence to substantiate that.

No, I think Harking is assuming the reverse.