Is STLD what STD should have been?
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Yep, they should've made five shows about Pike on the Enterprise, three live action, two animated, each with a different cast. Just imagine all the arguments we could've had about which of them was canon and which was in a parallel universe! We could've had threads about people's favourite Lt. Kyle, and about the epic 5 Spock crossover.
I find the one to be sufficient
Na, I'm still rating VOY and ENT higher than DIS and PIC.
I never considered VOY and ENT as bad but in comparsion to TOS and DS9 they are just less ingenious.
I want to see what happens when a horrifying transporter accident merges Discovery and Voyager into one TV show. Disco could use a bit of Voyager's mundane Trekkiness and variety of stories, while Voyager could use a bit of Disco's drama and continuity.
Michael Paris is a disgraced pilot who makes friends with Harry Tilly and gets a second chance in Starfleet, rising from helmsman to eventually command Voyager, with Harry as her first officer. Then Harry messes everything up and goes off to Starfleet Academy instead and Book of Nine joins the show.
Michael Paris is a disgraced pilot who makes friends with Harry Tilly and gets a second chance in Starfleet, rising from helmsman to eventually command Voyager, with Harry as her first officer. Then Harry messes everything up and goes off to Starfleet Academy instead and Book of Nine joins the show.
I wish DISCO had had more episodes per season and relied less on the mystery box formula. We likely would have had more of those mundane stories.
That said, I also feel S4 maybe had too many episodes, but that could be more of a case of not realizing when it was time to interject a smaller story.
That said, I also feel S4 maybe had too many episodes, but that could be more of a case of not realizing when it was time to interject a smaller story.
I agree. It's just that Kurtzman Trek has embraced passionate experimentation, while Voyager and Enterprise shrank from it.
I expect the combined show would provide generous diversity without feeling like it was checking boxes at times.
What about Empress Kathy from the Mirror Universe?
Queen Arachnia of the Mirror Universe.
Perfect. And her pet Kelpian Chakotay.
Kurtzman murders Discoyager by forcibly separating it back into its two original shows.
DSC Season 1 --> Gave me the Reboot I always wanted without realizing it. And it also gave me the hostile "first" contact between the Klingons and the Federation that I didn't get in ENT. I hated how the Klingons were introduced in ENT. Plus it gave me what I consider to be the definitive version of the Mirror Universe. Nothing else compares.
DSC Season 2 --> Well, the religious angle would've been interesting if they stuck with it rather than switching gears mid-way through. But this season was I guess you could say the distillation of Kurtzman Trek into one season. We've got Burnham put through the wringer, we've got Saru coming into his own literally, we've got Pike, we've got Section 31, we've got Emperor Georgiou, we've got Tilly on the Command Training Program (kind of like SFA but not), we have a galaxy-spanning threat in Control, and we have Discovery removing itself from the 23rd Century entirely. The Klingons getting hair back is a small concession and the first move away from Pure Disco Klingons. It's got everything I think of when I think of this era. At least with the Disco Branch (DSC, SNW, S31, and SFA). Not the TNG/VOY Branch (PIC, LD, and PRO).
DSC Season 3 --> "The Fall of the Federation" has been a concept for at least a few decades. Seeing it here is the closest we'll ever get to having a series about it. Sure the Federation is more or less back by Season 5, but it was still interesting to see in an actual production.
DSC Season 4 --> Honestly, this is the closest we'll get to Roddenberry Trek (meaning TMP and TNG Seasons 1-2) ever again. Classic Trek (TOS) is something distinctly different from Roddenberry Trek (TMP and early-TNG) in my opinion. Seriously. This is the most Roddenberry Star Trek since TNG Season 2. I have a whole thread about it in the DSC Forum.
DSC Season 5 --> Minus the epilogue, I don't think it felt like a final season. Nothing about it gave it that vibe. I do like the quest and going from planet-to-planet episode-to-episode. I'd made peace with the series ending here, but then they had to go introduce Rayner, and I thought to myself, "Damnit!" I would've wanted a few more seasons with him. And, honestly, in none of the other series would we have a Captain meeting the Progenitor of all Humanoid Life. Those are the kinds of large-scale ideas that the other, smaller-scale series lack.
So, yeah, I got different things out of each season, but I liked all of them. They were all unique to Discovery. And there's no other way to say it but to say it: I'm glad the people who didn't want this series to happen and were against it from Day One didn't get their way. Sure it "only" lasted five seasons, but it's five more seasons than they wanted. And five more seasons that I didn't know I wanted. I'm glad to have it as part of my Blu-Ray collection.
DSC Season 2 --> Well, the religious angle would've been interesting if they stuck with it rather than switching gears mid-way through. But this season was I guess you could say the distillation of Kurtzman Trek into one season. We've got Burnham put through the wringer, we've got Saru coming into his own literally, we've got Pike, we've got Section 31, we've got Emperor Georgiou, we've got Tilly on the Command Training Program (kind of like SFA but not), we have a galaxy-spanning threat in Control, and we have Discovery removing itself from the 23rd Century entirely. The Klingons getting hair back is a small concession and the first move away from Pure Disco Klingons. It's got everything I think of when I think of this era. At least with the Disco Branch (DSC, SNW, S31, and SFA). Not the TNG/VOY Branch (PIC, LD, and PRO).
DSC Season 3 --> "The Fall of the Federation" has been a concept for at least a few decades. Seeing it here is the closest we'll ever get to having a series about it. Sure the Federation is more or less back by Season 5, but it was still interesting to see in an actual production.
DSC Season 4 --> Honestly, this is the closest we'll get to Roddenberry Trek (meaning TMP and TNG Seasons 1-2) ever again. Classic Trek (TOS) is something distinctly different from Roddenberry Trek (TMP and early-TNG) in my opinion. Seriously. This is the most Roddenberry Star Trek since TNG Season 2. I have a whole thread about it in the DSC Forum.
DSC Season 5 --> Minus the epilogue, I don't think it felt like a final season. Nothing about it gave it that vibe. I do like the quest and going from planet-to-planet episode-to-episode. I'd made peace with the series ending here, but then they had to go introduce Rayner, and I thought to myself, "Damnit!" I would've wanted a few more seasons with him. And, honestly, in none of the other series would we have a Captain meeting the Progenitor of all Humanoid Life. Those are the kinds of large-scale ideas that the other, smaller-scale series lack.
So, yeah, I got different things out of each season, but I liked all of them. They were all unique to Discovery. And there's no other way to say it but to say it: I'm glad the people who didn't want this series to happen and were against it from Day One didn't get their way. Sure it "only" lasted five seasons, but it's five more seasons than they wanted. And five more seasons that I didn't know I wanted. I'm glad to have it as part of my Blu-Ray collection.
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You're honestly not wrong.
It's been a long road (
) starting my posting life on this board in particular as someone who was brand new to Trek with ENT, seeing the board who were aching for anything fresh and new at that time, only to now not only want to wrap itself back up to TNG style writing but embrace ENT as "actual Star Trek." I don't think people truly remember how truly tired fans were of The Formula™ back then but the ENT cancellation thread that still exists is a very encapsulation of the emotions at the time.At any rate, the folks at Paramount also knew this too and designed a show that was as far from what was typical Trek as possible. Judging by the four shows we got since, I'd say the gambit worked.
SNW is what DISCO, ENT and the Abrams movies should've been.
It embraces the progressive ideals of "Star Trek," unlike "Enterprise."
It embraces the spirit of peaceful exploration and science, unlike Jar Jar Abrams
And it's a fun adventure that doesn't break its neck trying way too hard at everything, unlike "Discovery."
It embraces the progressive ideals of "Star Trek," unlike "Enterprise."
It embraces the spirit of peaceful exploration and science, unlike Jar Jar Abrams
And it's a fun adventure that doesn't break its neck trying way too hard at everything, unlike "Discovery."
It's an action/adventure film. And why do people do this with Abrams? He made a film people don't like. Is it necessary to call him by such a terrible nickname that is associated with a racist caricature in the Prequels?
Eh, TOS had a fair share of action, adventure, fisticuffs and pew pew. Though with phaser beams it was more like Peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew.
Most the "exploration" and "science" is couched in all of the above. You don't get to 1930s New York with out McCoy going nuts. "Amok Time" requires a fight to the death and flying soup bowls.
Most the "exploration" and "science" is couched in all of the above. You don't get to 1930s New York with out McCoy going nuts. "Amok Time" requires a fight to the death and flying soup bowls.
Have to say, I don't mind the Abrams movies ... at least the first was pretty decent, imo. Although they are probably the closest thing to a cartoon/comic book approach to Trek, which I usually don't like that much.
I guess that's a major reason why VOY disappointed me ... the show and its characters have a certain flippancy to them, as if they were inspired by comic books... while TNG i.e. seems to be closer to sf novels, the characters are more "serious", for the lack of a better word.
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