Seems like they were damned either way. They spend a ton and the films underperform, it’s their fault. If they take a strict stance on the budget, and Snyder would say that they didn’t support his vision.
Possibility exists that Snyder simply wasn’t the right person to lead DC, on the big screen.
Actually, i think he should have been PART of the team...just not the ultimate/major decision maker.
I mean, most of his casting was awesome..creating some diversity that really worked out, for example.
Now, is it the Mandela effect, or wasn't it announced at the veyr beginning of the DCFU, that their approach was that it was to be "director lead"...and for me, that meant DIFFERENT directors....which should have happened at the beginning -- 3 different movies with 3 different directors, rther than just 1 shaping it.
The point is even if he wasn't the right person, they still carry responsibility. They hired him, they gave him carte blanche, they let him film an entire movie even after they already didn't believe in him anymore and their plan of 'fixing' his movie in post was always insane on the face of it. And then they rushed the movie out with bad cgi to pad their wallets with bonuses.
And it's also not at all wrong to say that plenty of bad decisions continued to be made for the last 5 years of the DCEU after Snyder was already gone.
Yeah, i mean it "made sense" to get Joss Whedon, since he JUST made Marvel $1 billion. But yeah, the timing was bad
Translation: triggered. This entire thread is a case study of obsessive hatred of a man--as stated up thread.
It needed more clouds, characters winking at the audience and probably a pimp stereotype as the only black character with dialogue featured in the film.
Same here. The JS often outshined Black Adam.
Quite unlikely, as many have a dangerus obsession with blaming / hating Snyder for "raping their childhood", or some such nonsensical blather.
Ahhh, but notice how the usual suspects constantly attempt to separate Snyder from Wonder Woman's success, when all production details point to the film never going forward to the point enjoyed by millions without him. Nope it was all the director...until...
Indeed. Jenkins was on record repeatedly selling WW84 as being all under her control (IOW, unlike the first film with Snyder's direct input, guidance, etc.), and it was a disaster.
Quite true.
Once again, that was another example of the idiotic attempt to MCU-ise the DCEU (previously with the theatrical cut of JL) resulted in box-office catastrophe. The lesson here is that moving away from the Snyder influence over the DCEU was assbrained and creatively bankrupt.
Like the predictability of the sun rising, WB constantly made moronic decisions all on their own, when the Snyder-helmed DCEU was the exact creative direction the franchise needed to maintain.
Ah, but if you recall, the Hate-Snyder obsessives squealed in joy over Shazam being the a silly, MCU-styled movie--the direction they wanted for all DCEU movies. The moviegoing audience did not agree.
A Snyder-free disaster heavily manipulated (much like Aquaman 2 to effectively kill all that had been built by the earlier, successful DCEU films, once again proving that the DCEU was a sinking ship without the right captain.
Honestly, who on the face of the earth asked for a movie based off of a beaten-into-the-ground Hanna-Barbera gimmick from the Super Friends cartoon? No one.
What the heck ar eyou talking about? The cartoon definitely has framed the DC Super heroes group in the minds of the public... more so that Avengers were there (even with a 60's cartoon being out there).
People were NOT expecting story/dialogue of that level --- just that they ALREADY knew those heroes.
Also, wans't the FIRST Aquaman more or less free of Snyder influence? And THAT made a BILLION dollars! MORE than ANY of Snyder's DC films. THAT is what Zaslav was looking at. That's why he UNFAIRLY (and i think in the opinion of MOST people on this thread) fired Cavill, who realy did a good job, as far as his end, to portray SUperman.
And regarding Wonder Woman -- now, he obviously set up the WW1 scenario and the supporting cast.... but what else did Snyder do in regards to the WW film? And also -- it was OBVIOUSLY a collaboration...which again, i think MOST people here would agree, would be MOST helpful to Snyder and making a successful franchise.
It would seem so.
Forever punctuating not only his story arc for the DCEU, but ZSJL's success could not have been a better way to illustrate how everything outside of Snyder's direct guidance was a crushing failure.
Truth of what, exactly? Truth seems to be that Warner was unhappy with Zack Snyder’s output. Zack Snyder has moved on. Henry Cavil has moved on. The only people who haven’t moved on is a handful of fans. I guess it boils down to not being able to admit that that chapter of life is over.
I think the execs were more unhappy about the lack of profit expected.... they weren't seeing Avengers money, when, i think rightfully so, that should be expected. That's why they tossed in Whedon at the end. The man proved he could make over a billion dollars....and really, the Justice Leagye property is EASILY capable of that....if done right.
There was a YouTube video that I chose not to post that essentially said it was the Snyder fans who were the ones to blame for the demise of the DECU and that Snyder maybe wasn't the best person to helm the DECU and their stubborn refusal to move on from that might hurt the DECU going forward under Gunn.
Daily rants about Snyder.
Not close to fact, as this thread is littered with people who--to this day--go on and on bitching-to-despising Snyder and his DC films long after his last association with the material ended...in a thread about the Gunn period of films. Day after day, its the same, usual suspects ranting the equivalent of someone "destroyed" their childhood view of a comic book character. If they were so hot for Gunn's DC films, or his Superman in particular, one would imagine they would spend every moment in this thread discussing that, but that is barely happening, because the usual suspects cannot let go of their obsessive hatred of Snyder & his DC films.
We wouldn't have the DCOU if the DCFU didn't fall apart. And once again, many of us have, ALL ALONG, blamed WB executives for hyper-correcting Snyder's foundation. And ONCE AGAIN, many of us saw A LOT of things we liked from Snyder.... but the flaws self-sabotaged many of those strengths.
The loudest voices ELSWHERE on the internet ALSO exaggerated the flaws (far more seriously than my lttle jokes).
The problem is all theirs.
...and failed miserably the second they sniffed after the tone and approach of other films / studios. A detailed list of WB's unnecessary "course-correction" is found here:
Which makes no sense, since Snyder only produced or directed 4 of the 15 canonical DCEU movies (JL Snyder Cut is an alternate continuity). Warner Bros. "moved on" from him in 2017, only 4 years into the 10-year run of the DCEU. I believe Geoff Johns was the main person in charge of the DCEU for the majority of its run. It's just that the Snyder fanatics online won't shut up about him, which makes him seem more important to the DCEU than he actually was.
The thing is, Snyder produced the FIRST 4 of the bunch, so it was obviously the FOUNDATION of the DCFU.
Geoff JOhns, perhaps on paper was supposed to be the "Kevin Feige" of the DCFU, but it seems clear to me it was more of a figurehead role (as opposed to say, Stargirl, or other stuff her supervised on DC TV).
I highly doubt the JOnathan's last scene in MoS or Martha's "get off my lawn" moment in B v S would have happened in Johns had any real power.
My theory on this delay is this:
1. The non-DCOU related Joker sequel tanked, and they fear that another side-sequel could ALSO fail, so they want to wait (they also see how the DCOU helped keep people away from Flash and Aquaman 2, since they "didn't matter)
2. They also want to see how Superman does. If it does well, then i think they might want to tie in Battinson into the DCOU, and keep that momentum going. We will hear about Peacemaker 2, and maybe at the same time, that SUpergirl will come out next/soon. And then a little after that, when the script is finished, news on Batman.
If it does poorly, they will still have a Batman movie coming out, just not tied into Gunn's universe, which will then probably end with Peacemaker season 2.
I wonder if that some point they'll make a "DCU" edit of Peacemaker's first season - cut out all the things no longer in-continuity with the reboot. Probably not as that would probably mean going through, figure out what is still part of the new reality and tie the hands of future DCU creatives. But since they released the Snyder cut of JL, why not?
Was there a whole lot that was tied to the DCFU? I mean, at the end of the finale, there were silouhettes of the Justice League, which doens't have to be the whole league...and the Momoa/Miller scene can easily be edited out/ignored. Was there anything else other than The Suicide Squad Movie that was specifically referenced?
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