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How did TOS contradict TOS?
There are plenty of TOS fans out there who do care.
Spoilers (Somewhat minor spoilers) Guys, Lower Decks has NOT decanonized Discovery. Or SNW.
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How did TOS contradict TOS?
Do you want the whole list?
Sure, why not.
A time honored Trek tradition.
- Kirk's middle initial changes from "R" to "T"
- The ship often changes configuration mid episode
- The operating authority for the Enterprise changes several times
- The Enterprise changes from an Earth ship to a Federation ship without explanation.
- Spock claims an ancestor married a human. Later retconned to being his father
- Spock is referred to as Vulcanian from Vulcanis
- The time frame is given as the 22nd Century, the 23rd Century and the 29th Century
- Uhura switches from gold to red with out explanation
- Spock is called a Lt. Commander while wearing a Commander's braid
- Lithium becomes dilithium without explanation.
- Pike's age is a bit dodgy. How can he be Kirk's age and be in command of the Enterprise 13 years prior?
- Kirk has a brother who is never mentioned again after Operation -- Annihilate
- Warp speeds are inconsistent
- Klingon make up changes back and forth
- Spock has a "Swiss Army Knife" physiology that McCoy rarely has a clue about
- Vulcan mating practices go from a secret to common knowledge.
Now restrain yourself. This isn't an invitation to head canon explanations. These are things that were altered and ignored by the people running the show. Continuity violations. Contradictions. So no head canon will change them.
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I'm not, I'm a ≥ TNG-era guy. So my knowledge base starts firmly from that era.
TNG has a couple as well
I'm sure it does, but eventually those get ironed out as well.
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More like paved over as was done in TOS.
There was not the expectation for everyone to memorize it like historical fact points.
So, if it contradicts itself that's just part of the fiction. YATI is not just for Jainism and monks anymore.
We know that the general consensus is that it's "James T. Kirk" when it comes to official canon info & articles on the character.
I haven't watched enough TOS to notice it.
Interesting
I guess the writing staff was still figuring it out at the time.
Isn't his father technically still considered a "Ancestor"?
That one got ironed out pretty fast.
We know which timeframe the general Canon of TOS settled on (23rd Century).
That's news to me.
I believe that was a typo in the script and they eventually settled for him being a Commander while in TOS, right?
I never noticed that
"Super Young Prodigy", ::shrugs::
You mean Sam Kirk was only mentioned once?
That's a problem in most of Trek, not exclusive to TOS.
Not a problem exclusive to TOS
Either McCoy isn't qualifed in Xeno Physiology or he's only a Human rated Doctor at that time.
::shrugs::
Interesting
Thanks!
If that's the worst TOS contradicts itself, I think the series did okay. Especially as a lot of them are easily explained.
Spock claimed Sarek was his ancestor? That's not a mistake, it's technically correct... the best kind of correct for a Vulcan. Uhura changed departments? That's a thing officers do. Pike's age was contradicted in the very next line, so that's just a mistake. The ship used contradictory stock footage of the ship within the same episode... yep, they didn't have the money to do better, it was flaw in the production, not a later retcon.
Spock claimed Sarek was his ancestor? That's not a mistake, it's technically correct... the best kind of correct for a Vulcan. Uhura changed departments? That's a thing officers do. Pike's age was contradicted in the very next line, so that's just a mistake. The ship used contradictory stock footage of the ship within the same episode... yep, they didn't have the money to do better, it was flaw in the production, not a later retcon.
Just kind of unbelievable that Spock would refer to himself wrongly.
That doesn't negate the show was inconsistent with itself.
I 100% agree, but this was in the early days when they didn't have budget / staff / or a dedicated "Lore Keeper" when Star Trek was in it's infancy.
They forgot is why Kirk gets the "T"
Keep an eye out for grids vs spheres on the nacelles
Starfleet and the Federation come in the latter half of Season One
It's an unusual usage. Reserved for more distant relations.
Ironed out or not, still a contradiction
Yes we know, but it took the entire series and two movies before it was set.
Watch Mudd's Women and Corbomite Maneuver for gold Uhura
It wasn't a typo.
We actually see the Pike from 13 years prior. Not a man in his late teens or early twenties.
Sam is mentioned twice and seen once
McCoy knowledge is pretty much needs of the plot. Much like Spock's physiology.
And they did a great job of keeping most of it straight, especially when things started to get nailed down and the Star Trek universe came into focus. Many hilarious memos were sent behind the scenes to point out contradictions that needed sorting out.
Well, he kind of died.
I'm pretty sure they did.
