Spoilers (Somewhat minor spoilers) Guys, Lower Decks has NOT decanonized Discovery. Or SNW.

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Don't know why the insulting writers is always given a free pass and centers around ability. It is quite disturbing to me though.

It's not about ability, it's about laziness.

We have this thing called "The Internet", and there are TONS of resources on Star Trek, including what happens in ALL of the previous episodes.

They can literally go to Memory Alpha or any countless other Trek Fan sites for info on past Trek details & continuity.

It's literally typing a few words, and reading up on what happened.

Maybe watching a few episodes, then boom, you did your HomeWork.

Then go write the episode you want to write and include previous content or find ways to not introduce conflicting info with previous continuity.

That's basic due diligence as a writer.

 

[fireproof78]

It's not about ability, it's about laziness.

Saying can't walk and chew bubblegum does not indicate that. It's literally about ability. It's an insult. Deliberately so.

That's basic due diligence as a writer.

Then say that they didn't do their due diligence. The other phrasing basically implied they are stupid. No, that's wrong!

Not getting minutia right isn't wrong. Not doing your homework is. That's a place that I'll agree with you. But ableism? Fuck that.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Saying can't walk and chew bubblegum does not indicate that. It's literally about ability. It's an insult. Deliberately so.

Some writers do care about previous continuity, it shows in their work.
Some don't give a damn and just writes whatever they want. That shows as well.
Some are just lazy. You know it happens.
Some are just plain incompetent.

As to which writer that applies to, I'll let you be the judge of that since each person interprets each writers work differently based on which script comes out.
That will be subject to personal interpretation.

Then say that they didn't do their due diligence. You basically implied they are stupid. No, that's wrong!

There might be a few that are bad apples, but that's going to be par for the course given how many writers gets cycled through all of Trek's numerous writing staff over such a long length of time.

Not getting minutia right isn't wrong. Not doing your homework is. That's a place that I'll agree with you. But ableism? Fuck that.

I believe most writers they hire are able to get the job done, that's why Trek is as consistent as it is, despite the vast time span as a franchise and the countless writing staff that have participated.

It's pretty damn good all things considered.

 

[fireproof78]

As to which writer that applies to, I'll let you be the judge of that since each person interprets each writers work differently based on which script comes out.
That will be subject to personal interpretation.

You'll never find me use the following for writers: lazy, incompetent, and especially "can't walk and chew bubblegum."


That's my personal interpretation.

I believe most writers they hire are able to get the job done, that's why Trek is as consistent as it is, despite the vast time span as a franchise and the countless writing staff that have participated.

Except for the ones that get insulted. Those ones are terrible.


I'll leave that to your personal interpretation.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

You'll never find me use the following for writers: lazy, incompetent, and especially "can't walk and chew bubblegum."

That's my personal interpretation.

Cool!

Except for the ones that get insulted. Those ones are terrible.


I'll leave that to your personal interpretation.

Alrighty Then!

 

[Phoenix219]

I'm just using the evidence given to me by the shows.

It doesn't break previous continuity, and is a logical explanation.

But you don't care for continuity contradictions, so you'll agree with whatever Paramount tells you.

they don't like evidence from the shows. Its why we are still arguing about time traveling romulans changing the timeline actually happened or not, even though they clearly did.

 

[fireproof78]

they don't like evidence from the shows. Its why we are still arguing about time traveling romulans changing the timeline actually happened or not, even though they clearly did.

It's nice when people can read my mind.


Thank you. Can you also tell me what I want for dinner, please

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

they don't like evidence from the shows. Its why we are still arguing about time traveling romulans changing the timeline actually happened or not, even though they clearly did.

That's how new TimeLines & Alternate Realities comes into existence.

Just like the Kelvin-verse, messing with critical points in times will have a tendency to create new TimeLines or Alternate Realities.

 

[fireproof78]

Didn't Worf encounter that?


Not sure why Alternate Realities are such a point of contention.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Didn't Worf encounter that?

Yeah, he encountered Alternate Quantum Realities.

Not sure why Alternate Realities are such a point of contention.

I don't either, I'm Pro "Alternate Realities".

It solves so many continuity issues that it's a brilliant solution that we can all find peace with.

TOS and it's history / canon can exist w/o being violated.

Same with everything in the Berman -> Berman-Braga era.

After that, Kurtzman and his crew get their own "Alternate reality".

Those who wanted to continue the work off of TNG from the Kurtzman Era get a modified Reality as well.

Spoiler: 4x TimeLines where we can all enjoy Star Trek and be happy.

We can all co-exist peacefully.

 

[fireproof78]

We can all co-exist peacefully.

Are you saying we don't?

TOS and it's history / canon can exist w/o being violated.

It always has.

After that, Kurtzman and his crew get their own "Alternate reality".

Sure.

It just mirrors events in TOS. It's a timeline that tries to correct itself at times.

I'm just fine with alternate realities. TOS simply stands by itself and isn't really connected to anything after it, TMP onward.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Are you saying we don't?

Have you ever tried to visit other Trek Forums who talk about DISCO?

It always has.

It has always existed, but not w/o severe violations / continuity errors from later shows & productions.

Sure.

It just mirrors events in TOS. It's a timeline that tries to correct itself at times.

The original TOS, as we saw it in it's original form will exist somewhere along it's own timeline.

There will be a new TOS style adventure with modifications and everybody will look a bit different, but most of the content should be nearly identical.

I'm just fine with alternate realities. TOS simply stands by itself and isn't really connected to anything after it, TMP onward.

TOS (Including the movies) stands fine as part of the connection to all of Berman era Trek.

For me, the time travel split point happened in "First Contact" & later "ST:ENT", that caused a huge ripple effect where timelines split.

Which also had more time line shenanigans down the time stream with future Trek productions.

 

[fireproof78]

Have you ever tried to visit other Trek Forums who talk about DISCO?

All the time. I love being told I don't care about things or assuming my mindset.

It has always existed, but not w/o severe violations / continuity errors from later shows & productions.

Yes, it had several violations. Don't know about "severe." I'm a bit black and white. Violations are violations. There are no degrees.

There will be a new TOS style adventure with modifications and everybody will look a bit different, but most of the content should be nearly identical.

Probably.

TOS (Including the movies) stands fine as part of the connection to all of Berman era Trek.

Agree to disagree. TOS doesn't connect to TMP, or TWOK, much less Berman era.

For me, the time travel split point happened in "First Contact" & later "ST:ENT", that caused a huge ripple effect where timelines split.

So, Berman era caused all the problems? Quelle surprise.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

So, Berman era caused all the problems? Quelle surprise.

More like the Borg Queen caused it by trying to mess with Human History.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I'm on team Berman.

 

[fireproof78]

More like the Borg Queen caused it by trying to mess with Human History.

I'm on team Berman.

Apparently so is the Borg Queen

 

[Nerys Myk]

Apparently so is the Borg Queen

She's on staff with Paramount to keep us drones inline.

 

[fireproof78]

She's on staff with Paramount to keep us drones inline.

Checks out.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Apparently so is the Borg Queen

Now you made me think of Annie Wersching.

45 Y/O is WAY too young to go.

May she RIP, she portrayed a great incarnation of "The Borg Queen" IMO.

 

[Dukhat]

I think there’s room for interpretation that DSC and SNW are actually not in the same continuity, and that the Pike, Spock and the Enterprise we saw in DSC are not the same ones as in SNW.