Actually, the unmentioned qualifier is that the intent of the line is that Earth avoided a major conflict altogether, whether biological or other. At least that’s what I got out of it.
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Actually, the unmentioned qualifier is that the intent of the line is that Earth avoided a major conflict altogether, whether biological or other. At least that’s what I got out of it.
If we're looking for any kind of pattern, we already had two episodes say there was a World War III. "Space Seed" and "Bread and Circuses". "Bread and Circuses" and "The Omega Glory" both had Roddenberry as a credited writer.
So, I think Spock was referring to a biological war as being what was avoided. Since the biological war was the driver of the action of the episode.
EDIT: "Space Seed" also has Roddenberry as a credited writer.
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I think the Guardian of Forever lied in the first season when it said that "... all is as it was before..." and McCoy's jump to the past did more damage to the timeline than It led Kirk & Co. to believe at that point.
What It was actually saying is that as far as Kirk was concerned, things were back to 'nominal' and they wouldn't be aware of the changes anyway.
What It was actually saying is that as far as Kirk was concerned, things were back to 'nominal' and they wouldn't be aware of the changes anyway.
I think the Guardian of Forever lied in the first season when it said that "... all is as it was before..." and McCoy's jump to the past did more damage to the timeline than it led Kirk & Co. to believe at that point.
What It was actually saying is that as far as Kirk was concerned, things were back to 'nominal' and they wouldn't be aware of the changes anyway.
My whole beef with the current PTB, is quite trying to make Beef Wellington out of Chernobyl-grade ground beef. Which is largely what is going on here. Instead of just saying their shows are "Star Trek", they keep talking about how it all lines up, when it never did and trying to create continuity with a 1960's TV show in 2024 is a fools' errand.
If they want to make the Eugenics Wars happen in the 2050's? Fine. Just make it clear that this is a new interpretation of Star Trek. Or, just don't say anything at all. Let it be like it was in the past, where they concentrate on writing good stories and let fandom sort it all out. Much like the TMP Klingons in the 80's.
I’m not trying to argue that WWIII didn’t happen in the Star Trek universe. Clearly it did, despite conflicting accounts about it over time. I’m just pointing out what I believe to be contradictory information from another episode that might have possibly been a retcon if TNG didn’t come along and reinforce the idea of a third world war.
Honestly, we'll likely never know what was actually on Roddenberry's mind. But, based on what's on screen and how it is delivered, I think Spock's line in "The Omega Glory" refers to a biological war. Coupling it with McCoy's, "Hard to believe we were once foolish enough to play around with that." Makes me believe that Roddenberry was making a statement about chemical/biological weapons.
Of course, your mileage will vary.
So, current Trek is radioactive meat, best avoided unless playing Fallout?
Honestly, rereading the dialog it might simply be that the "war they avoided" was the war between the Americans and the Communists, which fits the dialog from Space Seed, since WW3 was fought due to genetically engineered/selectively bred supermen attempting a take over.
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Ding ding ding!!! But for some reason, the producers and the majority of this board still insist otherwise, and that it is not a rewritten timeline, and that it is still the same Prime from the '60s, even though it is obviously not, and there is now an answer baked into the show's narrative, but nope, we are supposed to just say "visual retcon" and pretend that...... Time traveling Romulans didn't change the timeline?
Nope enough that events change too much.
Or not.
It's really not that big of a deal.
Yep.
Nope.
Yep.
The timeline would be somewhat changed literally every time there has been time travel in an episode or film.
It still remains the Prime Timeline.
If we go with the idea that every time the timeline has been been altered, it becomes a new timeline, then the true Prime Timeline is only everything from "The Cage" to "Tomorrow Is Yesterday," when they first traveled back to the 60's. That's what? 17 or 18 episodes? Less if we count the time travel in "The Naked Time."
rewritten timeline, yes.
some events have very tiny butterflies, that change nothing, like Tomorrow is Yesterday.
then you have events that change EVERYTHING, like first contact, or changing the time period of a world wide war with millions of deaths and vast changes in politics, by decades.
It remains the Prime UNIVERSE in a physical sense, but COMPLETELY DIFFERENT EVENTS ARE UNFOLDING.
And yet.... the timeline would have absolutely been changed. It's a different timeline! It can't be prime! It's been altered! You say the changed from the TOS episodes aren't enough? OK, how bout The Voyage Home? 2 Whales and a woman removed from the timeline must've had some effect. No? OK, how bout The Borg bombing the shit outta Bozeman, Montana? Either it's a different timeline, or it's not.i can not post a big enough eyeroll in response to this.
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