I want to un-behold that scene. Good sense would have told them to not even film it, but good sense wasn't fully there, 'cause that fan dance was filmed, too.
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Eh, I’m always interested to see these little ‘nearly-was’ scenes. For better or worse. Interesting.
Some of the TWOK ones should have made it to the final theatrical release, particularly the revelation of Saavik’s Romulan heritage and the exchange between Kirk and Peter Preston. Sure, obviously not critical to the greater plot, but it still added some extra flavor to the overall fabric of the film, IMO. But I agree that only a very small amount of those cut scenes are on that level and most deserve to be left on the editing floor.
It had younger versions of them in the comic book adaptation, and I do wonder if money hadn't kinda run out on them, they planned to cut to younger actors at some point.
Between Harve Bennett, Ralph Winter, and the studio executives, you'd think someone would have stopped many of Shatner's ideas for Star Trek V, but no...
According to her book, she found out when the cast members each came in to re-record ("loop" or ADR) portions of their dialogue. She said Shatner tried to blame the decision on Jerry Goldsmith.
Really interesting interview. I am so down for more from the TMP era.
If they can bring themselves to do a version of the missing Memory Wall footage... They could probably just change Shatner's spacesuit and use a different character for Spock (I used Rand, as setting up a transporter relay seemed like a viable plan to explore, but could even use Colt, or someone else not used elsewhere during that part of the movie. Why not use a whole landing party? Chekov, Rand, Colt, and Ensign Ricky?).
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I think it works with the threatucal nature of that scene tbh. Same as McCoy not being re-cast young for the scene with his father. We get that it’s the characters as they are now, re-enacting moments from their past.
Sybok making Saavik relive her childhood on Hellguard would have been cool.
It is high time that Ensign Ricky's story is told!
Tell them there are FOUR casualties...
Well... They're really just MISSING, aren't they?
(What does that status do to family benefits? C'mon Admiral, there's other considerations here.)
Well, not Ricky. He needed to pee and forgot there was no oxygen-gravity envelope...
Has anyone found the place on the website with the audio narration using Majel's synthesized computer voice? I've looked around, but I haven't found anything that seems like it'd be a way to activate that feature.
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There's the business end of things. At the end of the day, Shatner was the director. That's a powerful position to be in terms of movie production. Sure, there are people who can override a decision, but that USUALLY comes down to budget.
Studio execs are the ones who can REALLY force something, but they're also the least likely to actually care. They hired the director to make the movie, they tend to just, let them make the movie. They don't view a movie like we do. The execs don't see art, they see business and dollar signs.
That's the nature of a business venture and goes back to the beginning with TOS: entertain enough people or don't stay in the air. It's why Roddenberry had a back door pilot in "Assignment: Earth" when that Star Trek thing seemed to be waning.
At the end of the day, fair enough. These shows/films ARE produced to make money. That is their purpose.
Now it's a touch more complicated because I think alot of times, those execs who demand changes to things tend to make things worse... and while shows/films are produced to make money, being GOOD will generally make more money.
There's always a balance. Studio execs are not creative types. Filmmakers tend to not be business types. You need both. You just need to be able to get the right balance... sometimes the studio execs want something that is just dumb (ahem, the boy bands they wanted in ENT...) and the makers have to dig and and say no. Sometimes, the makers want something that is just unrealistic, too expensive, some weird artistic obsession they have, etc. that the studio has to dig in and say no.
You get real problems when its out of wack. If the studio execs just leave the director alone and let them do whatever they want... it could work, but it could also be a disaster. But also if the studio gets too granular with the micromanaging, the end product tends to end up godawful.
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