How do/did you feel about the return of the Enterprise-D?

[Tomalak]

It's still the copy-and-paste fleet, instead of 3 almost identical ships copy-and-pasted a like a hundred times over, we got the "copy-and-paste from STO" fleet. LOL I get what you're saying. Honestly, I think it was smart, it shows Starfleet to have more than a handful of ship designs, and it saves money.

Can you name a fleet seen in Star Trek that doesn't meet that definition? All the DS9 fleets were the same five ships.

You are also ignoring the new ships that were designed for the show - the Stargazer, the Excelsior II and the Intrepid for example.

Honestly this feels like a baseless criticism. I had plenty of issues with PIC S2 and 3, the ships weren't one of them.

I just think the Ent-F cameo should have been an Ent-E cameo.

I suspect if it had been, you would instead be complaining that it was Terry throwing another "memberberry" at fans.

 

[fireproof78]

suspect if it had been, you would instead be complaining that it was Terry throwing another "memberberry" at fans.

I thought this season was powered by it though.

 

[Tomalak]

I thought this season was powered by it though.

But if that is your criticism, it doesn't make sense to turn around and complain that one more piece of nostalgia would have made it better.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

Can you name a fleet seen in Star Trek that doesn't meet that definition? All the DS9 fleets were the same five ships.

You are also ignoring the new ships that were designed for the show - the Stargazer, the Excelsior II and the Intrepid for example.

Honestly this feels like a baseless criticism. I had plenty of issues with PIC S2 and 3, the ships weren't one of them.


I suspect if it had been, you would instead be complaining that it was Terry throwing another "memberberry" at fans.

Hold up, there might have been some miscommunication. Regarding "copy and paste" fleet, regarding STO, I was just making a cheap joke. In the PIC S1 finale, it absolutely is the copy-and-paste fleet. LOL I was just joking that they did it again, by "copy and paste" from STO to PIC. Get it now? hah

I do love the new ships in Picard. The La Sirena, new Stargazer, Titan-A were all great ships. Wasn't everything else basically just a background ship? New Spacedock looked the same as the old one, just bigger with some greebly stuff slapped on,

I did not dislike any of the ship designs, to be perfectly honest. I actually cannot think of one I did not like. My only real issue was ships coming into almost-collision distance of each other. This has been an issue since the 2009 reboot film.

Just to be crystal clear, I'm not a "complainer." Picard is my favorite of the streaming-era series followed closely by Prodigy as my 2nd favorite.

My only real issues with the show:
#1 Why was Soji just kind of forgotten about after the S2 premiere?
#2 The actress got to take on a new character, so forgivable.
#3 Why are Seven and Raffi a couple in S2? No foreshadowing in S1, forgotten in S3.
#4 Why was Elnor killed off so early into S2? Everything after that was cameos. Lame.
#5 Where was Elnor, Laris, and Soji in S3?
#6 Ent-F should have been Ent-E.
#7 Ent-D saucer shouldn't have been salvageable, but nostalgia trumps realism here. LOL
#8 Titan-A should not have been renamed Ent-G.

I don't think I've ever watched a film or series and NOT had criticisms, it's just how I take in film and series.

 

[TroiFan4ever]

I haven't watched the 'Picard' series, but one thing makes me wonder....
What was the reason to bring back Enterprise-D, an old if not outdated design?
Might the only reason be to get STNG fans to watch the series?
So basically this 'Picard' series became exactly what was said would not happen: a STNG reunion show.

The series as a whole was a way to show viewers what Picard's life is like and has been like since the events of NEM.

Geordi had spent the past two decades restoring the Enterprise D's saucer that'd been recovered from Veridian III and attached it to the stardrive section of the USA Syracuse, another Galaxy Class starship.

I'd have loved for you to experience the surprise in Season 3's original run! It was so much fun! At least it was for me. I geeked out SOOOOOO hard. Plus it took me back to my childhood, being the lifelong TNG fan I've always been.

A lot of people like to nickname Picard Season 3 as TNG Season 8 or TNG movie 5 divided into ten hour-long episodes. However you look at it, the Enterprise D's return is when it became Star Trek The Next Generation, Part 2 for me.

My godbrother restores old cars as a hobby, mostly cars from the '70s, so this is something that's within my extended family. And probably why I view it with that mentality.


That's the reason why I call it the Enterprise-D Rebuild. And I would say the Enterprise-D Rebuild is more of the original Enterprise-D than the Enterprise-Refit was of the original Enterprise NCC-1701. "Admiral, this is an almost totally new Enterprise!"

I wonder what you think of the Enterprise-A being a look-alike of the Enterprise-Reft, effectively making the end of TVH a Reset Button? I also wonder what you think of Sisko getting a replacement Defiant that looks just like the old one at the very end of DS9? Which is also a Reset Button.

Here's the thing with that. I have an old Lenovo laptop that was gifted to me for my birthday eight years ago. Due to it being so cheap it unfortunately kind of fell apart on me after about a few years (unsturdy bottom shell, loose hinges, etc., pixelated screen, now the most recent problem i had with it is the battery was charging backwards). My plan was to pull a Geordi LaForge and repair it by buying a new frame, new outer shell, new battery (or maybe get that part fixed by a professional) and basically make it look like new and get it to function as such! I didn't necessarily want to toss it and get a new one because it has too much sentimental value since it was a birthday gift to just replace.

Given this, I now see where Geordi was coming from when he spent 2 decades restoring the Enterprise D when according to Picard in GEN she... or, uh... IT rather couldn't be salvaged.

 

[fireproof78]

But if that is your criticism, it doesn't make sense to turn around and complain that one more piece of nostalgia would have made it better.

It's all in how it's handled. To me, if the framing device is the TNG crew comes back together to fight off and enemy of the Federation, then having things connecting to this crew makes more sense than the STO connection.

It's not just "nostalgia=bad" but how's used.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

I haven't watched the 'Picard' series, but one thing makes me wonder....
What was the reason to bring back Enterprise-D, an old if not outdated design?
Might the only reason be to get STNG fans to watch the series?
So basically this 'Picard' series became exactly what was said would not happen: a STNG reunion show.

If it helps, the show is basically 3 shows in 1.
Season 1: It's a bit like Firefly or Cowboy Bebop in that it's about a small group of characters on a small 2-deck ship out to save a woman in danger, but then things quickly escalate to galactic danger.

Season 2: Bookended in Picard's time, but spends most of the time in the present-day with the gang from S1 returning to "preserve" the past so their time doesn't shift into an evil Mirror Universe style xenophobic Confederation.

Season 3: The new cast is mostly bailed on to focus on a TNG reunion. It's not all 7 all at once, but rather starts off with Picard, Riker, and Crusher. The show takes it's time to reintroduce everyone else. The Ent-D is a surprise cameo in the 2nd-to-last episode being front and center for the series finale. The idea behind this season was to make up for the 5th movie we got cheated out of back in the 00's.

I hope this clears things up. To summarize, each season is its own story more or less.
S1-2 = Picard and his new crew.
S3 = TNG reunion

 

[Firebird]

I swear half the problem with S3 is that the really stupid decisions could be corrected just by spending five minutes thinking things through. But of course, Lord Terry was after the memberberries rather than a coherent story.

As we get more distance from season 3, I'm truly agog how its story falls apart like tissue paper in water when applying even a little thought to it.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

As we get more distance from season 3, I'm truly agog how its story falls apart like tissue paper in water when applying even a little thought to it.

I wouldn't go that far. Most of the problems are small potatoes, no? Where's Elnor and Soji? Where's Laris in the finale? Why the Ent-F and not the Ent-E why rename the Titan-A to the Enterprise-G? Is the Titan-A new or 5 years old? How did Seven go space ranger to starship XO in a few months?

It's mostly small stuff, and mostly that, no?

 

[fireproof78]

As we get more distance from season 3, I'm truly agog how its story falls apart like tissue paper in water when applying even a little thought to it.

Truly.

Why the Borg and their control over the Founders? The inconsistencies of Beverly's choices for 20+ years. The mystery box of Jack as though that's the only way.

It is frustrating, especially for how enjoyable it was early on.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

Truly.

Why the Borg and their control over the Founders? The inconsistencies of Beverly's choices for 20+ years. The mystery box of Jack as though that's the only way.

It is frustrating, especially for how enjoyable it was early on.

#1 Presumably, the Borg Queen's been bumbling around with a slowly decaying Borg collective over the past 30 years. It's entirely possible for her to have made connections which eventually connected her to the tortured changelings.

#2 Can you explain what you mean by Beverly and 20+ years of inconsistencies?

#3 The Queen may have spent time exploring other methods to revive her Borg Collective. Picard and son might have been a more recent plan. I could be wrong on the timing of all this though, been a while since I watched S3.

 

[Lord Garth]

I wouldn't go that far. Most of the problems are small potatoes, no? Where's Elnor and Soji? Where's Laris in the finale? Why the Ent-F and not the Ent-E why rename the Titan-A to the Enterprise-G? Is the Titan-A new or 5 years old? How did Seven go space ranger to starship XO in a few months?

It's mostly small stuff, and mostly that, no?

Elnor's either at Starfleet Academy or on the Excelsior as part of his Internship.

The E-E is 30 years old at this point, and I'd expect that it would've been decommissioned long before PIC. Even if whatever wasn't Worf's fault didn't happen. So it makes sense to have the E-F. Plus, it's a reminder that, "Hey! Guess what?! We haven't seen what's been going on with the Enterprise in a while!" Time moved on. The Enterprise(s) didn't just stand still to wait for us.

Soji's travelling from place-to-place advocating for Android Rights.

Seven of Nine going from Fenris Ranger to Titan XO is the shakiest, IMO. But, I think it's a combination of two main factors:

• Seven had enough transferrable experience and knowledge to skip the lower ranks. Tactical experience (and yes, assimilated information) as a Borg Drone, her experience on Voyager, and rising up through the ranks with the Fenris Rangers.
  
  
• Picard and Janeway pulled some strings. [EDITED TO ADD: And let's not forget that Picard gave her a field commission at the end of Season 2! So, looks like it stuck.]

I can understand people complaining about renaming the Titan-A to the Enterprise-G. I can see why someone would take issue with that. But, at the end of the day, it's not something I care about.

I like the design of the Enterprise-G better than the Enterprise-F. A lot better. The only issue I have with the G is that I think the back is over-designed. That's a stacked impulse deck! But it's not enough for me to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

EDITED TO ADD: I would've liked at least one other scene with Laris at the end, but maybe we'll get a second chance in the Picard Movie, if it happens.

 

[fireproof78]

#1 Presumably, the Borg Queen's been bumbling around with a slowly decaying Borg collective over the past 30 years. It's entirely possible for her to have made connections which eventually connected her to the tortured changelings.

#2 Can you explain what you mean by Beverly and 20+ years of inconsistencies?

#3 The Queen may have spent time exploring other methods to revive her Borg Collective. Picard and son might have been a more recent plan. I could be wrong on the timing of all this though, been a while since I watched S3.

It's all speculation. That's why it's a hole.

Beverly doesn't f-ing bothering talking or keeping up with Picard about his own son. That's nonsense.

 

[Firebird]

It's all speculation. That's why it's a hole.

That's something I keep seeing when folks try to argue that season 3's story has no holes. Inevitably, it's all headcanon to paper over the Enterprise-sized plot holes. If you have to theorize, that means the writers didn't do their due diligence in making a plausible story.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

Elnor's either at Starfleet Academy or on the Excelsior as part of his Internship.

The E-E is 30 years old at this point, and I'd expect that it would've been decommissioned long before PIC. Even if whatever wasn't Worf's fault didn't happen. So it makes sense to have the E-F. Plus, it's a reminder that, "Hey! Guess what?! We haven't seen what's been going on with the Enterprise in a while!" Time moved on. The Enterprise(s) didn't just stand still to wait for us.

Soji's travelling from place-to-place advocating for Android Rights.

Seven of Nine going from Fenris Ranger to Titan XO is the shakiest, IMO. But, I think it's a combination of two main factors:

• Seven had enough transferrable experience and knowledge to skip the lower ranks. Tactical experience (and yes, assimilated information) as a Borg Drone, her experience on Voyager, and rising up through the ranks with the Fenris Rangers.
  
  
• Picard and Janeway pulled some strings.

I can understand people complaining about renaming the Titan-A to the Enterprise-G. I can see why someone would take issue with that. But, at the end of the day, it's not something I care about.

I like the design of the Enterprise-G better than the Enterprise-F. A lot better. The only issue I have with the G is that I think the back is over-designed. That's a stacked impulse deck! But it's not enough for me to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

EDITED TO ADD: I would've liked at least one other scene with Laris at the end, but maybe we'll get a second chance in the Picard Movie, if it happens.

Well, my questions were from a production/audience point of view, not in-story.

Elnor should have been on the Titan-A with Seven. Why not? I thought the way they handled the Ent-E was just bad writing. Either tell the audience what happened to the Ent-E or don't bring it up. I found it just fell flat. Yes, Soji's out traveling, but she's also presumably very close to Picard now. They are both synths. Seven didn't skip the lower ranks, she skipped everything. She goes from space ranger to starship XO, and a few months later, promoted to Captain. Where do I sign up? LMAO The "design" for the Titan-A was fine and all. Retro happens in real life, so there's reason to believe a starship designer might borrow the overall shape of an older design, but pack if with modern technology. It's just that the Enterprise represents Starfleet's crown jewel starship. I just don't get that from the Titan-A / Ent-G. There was literally no reason to rename the ship except because Matalas needed to fangasm.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

It's all speculation. That's why it's a hole.

Beverly doesn't f-ing bothering talking or keeping up with Picard about his own son. That's nonsense.

In real life, lots of things go unanswered. I don't have a problem with a TV show leaving questions unanswered to add some mystery and intrigue. As for Beverly going rogue with Picard Jr, was her in-show reason really unbelievable? She thought the "son of Picard" would be a target, so she packed bags and took off.

 

[fireproof78]

As for Beverly going rogue with Picard Jr, was her in-show reason really unbelievable

Yes.

 

[HotRod]

The E-E is 30 years old at this point, and I'd expect that it would've been decommissioned long before PIC.

Since when is 30 years old for a Starship? Even the 1701 was 40 years old before anyone started calling her old.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

Since when is 30 years old for a Starship? Even the 1701 was 40 years old before anyone started calling her old.

Exactly, and the Ent-D routinely met up with century-old starships in TNG that were cruising the galaxy just fine.

 

[Lord Garth]

Seven didn't skip the lower ranks, she skipped everything. She goes from space ranger to starship XO, and a few months later, promoted to Captain.

It's not Seven's fault Starfleet was too ignorant to give her a commission in 2378, no matter how hard Janeway fought for her. I'm glad they finally saw the light after Picard finally gave her a field commission at the end of PIC S2.

Had Starfleet given her a chance, she would've been in Starfleet for 23 years by PIC S3. So, right or wrong, I consider it them finally seeing the light and deciding not to penalize her for lost time.