How barely aware? Almost like a parent trying to cover their ass for pushing their child who has mental illness into being a family cash machine...
Why is toxic fandom destroying everything?
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How barely aware? Almost like a parent trying to cover their ass for pushing their child who has mental illness into being a family cash machine...
STAR WARS rarely does the layered emotion thing well, if at all. Emotions are surface level and trauma is moved on realitively quickly.
Also, we don't know Finn's relationship to his other troopers. He is stunned in the assault on Jakku: why? We can only guess at. Is it the first time seeing death? First time in a battle? He doesn't appear to be highly empathetic towards any of the troopers, given that he assaults the inside of the Star Destroyer while escaping with Poe.
He says that he made a choice to not fight for them, and that's about it of his motivation. So, this idea that he has any empathy towards his past comrades in arms is reading in to the material.
We'll agree to disagree on the Jake Lloyd thing, but how Finn reacted is a natural human emotion. People do things like that. War sucks, and people die and sometimes they're your former friends.
But he wasn't on their side anymore. That's pretty damn far from "false and/or dishonest," just because it doesn't fit your idea of how a fictional character freed from authoritarian military service should behave. Sometimes people cheer when their former side gets its ass handed to it. That's reality. A fan's discomfort with it notwithstanding.
But he wasn't on their side anymore. That's pretty damn far from "false and/or dishonest," just because it doesn't fit your idea of how a fictional character freed from authoritarian military service should behave. Sometimes people cheer when their former side gets its ass handed to it. That's reality. A fan's discomfort with it notwithstanding.
He was finally free, and had a moment of lashing out, releasing decades of emotions towards the First Order that he had to suppress.
God damn. Reading shit here, you'd think people just want robots to move from point A to point B, without them having any actual characterization.
Either that or statues who remain the same regardless of things that happen. And never struggle.
Real human emotions and behavior matter.
More than what someone wants that behavior to be.
More than what someone wants that behavior to be.
It's not my job to read you the linked article aloud, or to rephrase it in full here.
That pretty much sums up your contribution to the discussion, yeah.
You said something false, others accurately pointed out it was false, you repeatedly refuse to acknowledge that. Tom-ae-toe, Trump-ah-toe!
That's how people in real life often act when venting and lashing out. I'm sorry that steps on your idea of "proper" and "coherent" and "decent" human behavior, but even if one doesn't like Finn as he was written as a character - nothing he did is "incoherent."
Slightly unclear on your last point, but Tran is the child of Vietnamese refugees, which is not a group China has particular fondness for.
No, it does not; you are of the opinion toxic fandom was responsible for the company's mistreatment of Boyega and his character. Boyega--the man himself--clearly places the blame on LFL, bolstering his accusation with comparisons to the way Driver, Ridley and their characters were handled. That has not a thing to do with toxic fandom, but the century-plus mistreatment of innumerable black actors in the film business--and any other business. Whether a black person was meant for a certain role / position or was part of the group, black people know their history of being pushed into the background, or downgraded in favor of white performers and co-worker. For every case where that did not happen, the entertainment business has hundreds of cases throughout its history to counter that.
I know exactly what Boyega's experienced and do not misunderstand his realization about a company such as LFL, one that has generated hours of media about how "progressive" they are, yet the same, time-worn shafting of black people--one of the alleged "trinity" of the ST--was carried out as intended. No toxic fanbase had a thing to do with LFL's racist mistreatment of Boyega. He did not see it that way, because he--as a black man--knows the truth of that kind of relationship.
When it counted most about representation --strong representation for a black man in the Star Wars sequels, LFL made Boyega take the back seat.
Yeah, that was weird, what was up with that??
The main problem with Finn was that Disney and Lucasfilm wasted him.
Yup. He was the most interesting character in TFA, and had a freaking awesome arc towards the end of TLJ, with his confrontation with Phasma. That was incredible.
The rest of it was sadly a let down, especially in Episode VIII.
They only did that on ONE of the posters. Finn was still on the other Star Wars China Posters
I'm shocked. But that's a small relief. I've only seen one.
As stated, his character was already ill thought out when we saw him being happy at Poe for killing his fellow Stormtroopers.
The thing is, neither Poe OR Finn were meant to be major characters to begin with. Neither of them were even supposed to survive TFA in the first place, Poe was supposed to be dead after that initial scene and Finn was supposed to be killed outright by Ren at the end. They were only ever thought of as plot devices to get Rey involved in the plot and nothing else.
Rey and Ren were the only major characters as far as the writers were concerned, and that's why Finn barely does anything after that. He was never a major character in the overall scheme in the first place
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