Stuff that make you wonder but not own thread worthy

[Mojochi]

Why, in Measure Of A Man, did Picard not use Datas decision to join Starfleet as a reason why he wasn't property? The argument about the computer refusing a refit is moot as that was developed FOR Starfleet, probably by Starfleet. Data was not and he chose to enter the academy of his own free will.

It's a necessary blindspot we have to allow for, in order to have an otherwise good episode. Without glossing over that, we can't even have this story, because there's no cause for any kind of legal case.

Data's enlistment in itself is a logical recognition of the will of a free being. So, if you're looking for an explanation as to why it's not addressed, there isn't one, but if you want to engage in the exercise of trying to devise an in-universe explanation, then...

There's really only 2 options. #1, when you dig into the fine print, maybe joining Starfleet, on it's own, doesn't explicitly carry with it a recognition of personhood for anyone, which really seems like a very unlikely scenario, given their progressiveness.

Or #2, the rather contentious enlistment of Data himself brought with it some unspoken caveats to the general enlistment standards. That his enlistment was objected to officially by only Maddox, doesn't mean he was the only one with reservations. He was just the only one publicly on record about it, and others were also unwilling to grant Data the same rights as other recruits have, which somehow shut down Picard's claim that as a Starfleet officer he has certain universal rights, because they'd made special provisions for him.

So, we can guess that maybe Picard dug through Data's initial enlistment records & realized they had done things a little different with him then, than with others, which made the argument not have any use. It's a thin line of reasoning, but it's something.

 

[JesterFace]

Last time watching 'The Measure of a Man' I got a feeling that maybe Philippa Louvois had her own opinion before the hearing even began and thought Data did have rights.
She did the whole court thing to make it clear to Maddox and everyone else.

 

[Mojochi]

Last time watching 'The Measure of a Man' I got a feeling that maybe Philippa Louvois had her own opinion before the hearing even began and thought Data did have rights.
She did the whole court thing to make it clear to Maddox and everyone else.

I could see that. If you consider my theory about Nakamura, that he brought her on specifically because she'd gone against Picard in the past, & hoping she would again, & she's smart, she could maybe put 2 & 2 together on that herself, & realize, once Picard was in her office, that she'd been deliberately planted.

She didn't have to make such an extreme "toaster" ruling. She could've played it much more middle ground. By doing so, she makes it much more black & white, which makes Picard's job easier actually.

Realizing that Maddox was too prejudiced to see that such a ruling was actually a disadvantage for him, she'd know he'd be unlikely to object to it. It probably would've been much more easily dismissed too, except that Riker really did have a damningly good presentation, & I think everybody was taken by surprise over it. She did certainly look surprised when he shut Data off.

 

[kirk55555]

I always wondered why Picard would on occasion wear a grey shirt under a red jacket and what the reason was for. I actually thought it was snazzy.

I always hated that jacket, its one my my most disliked uniform looks in the series, only beat by the TMP pajama uniforms, the weirdly collared uniforms that the Enterprise crew wore in Discovery Season 2, and the horrible "update" to the TWOK-TUC Maroon suits as seen on Future Pike in SNW.

It just makes him look like he's having a lazy sunday afternoon at home, but was a bit chilly so he put on a sweatshirt. The fact that the Season 3-7 TNG suits are the peak of Star Trek uniforms just make this jacket look even worse to me.

 

[Mojochi]

It just makes him look like he's having a lazy sunday afternoon at home, but was a bit chilly so he put on a sweatshirt.

That's kind of what I actually like about it

 

[Laughing Dragon]

I always hated that jacket, its one my my most disliked uniform looks in the series, only beat by the TMP pajama uniforms, the weirdly collared uniforms that the Enterprise crew wore in Discovery Season 2, and the horrible "update" to the TWOK-TUC Maroon suits as seen on Future Pike in SNW.

It just makes him look like he's having a lazy sunday afternoon at home, but was a bit chilly so he put on a sweatshirt. The fact that the Season 3-7 TNG suits are the peak of Star Trek uniforms just make this jacket look even worse to me.

Oh, pooooh!
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Now...I remember the episode where Picard got to see through Geordi's eyes. And he noticed Data stuck out really brightly. Wonder if that's why Geordie feels so close to Data. Sounds silly maybe but there it is. He would also be out of luck if they played hide and seek.

 

[JesterFace]

I watched 'The Child' for the first time in about a decade. (<---- rough estimate)
While it was surprisingly interesting episode I thought if Deanna's child is messing up the cargo, why not put Deanna and her child on a shuttlecraft and pick them up after the cargo is delivered....

 

[Farscape One]

No one knew it was Ian that was causing the issue. Ian himself went to Troi and said he had to 'go away' because it would be bad for everyone. When Riker, Pulaski, etc. arrived in Troi's quarters, that's when it was discovered Ian was the cause.

Why didn't he think of an idea like yours? Probably a couple factors, one being he might not have realized the Enterprise even had shuttles. Another factor could be that because he knew he was such a risk because of one thing, he could be an unintentional danger in other ways, so he likely thought the best solution was to permanently leave. He wanted to explore and learn about life, but he didn't want to risk harming others in doing so.

 

[JesterFace]

^^ what about....
Could Deanna's child have returned after the cargo was delivered, he didn't have to leave permanently?
Or maybe he didn't want to stay, who knows.

 

[Phoenix219]

Just watched Remember Me, and I really wonder if Wes has a high esper potential like Gary and Liz, and if thats what the Traveler is tapping into.

 

[at Quark's]

ESP is of course a very generic term. Deanna would have a high ESP too, but of a very different kind. If Wesley has a high ESP potential, it probably would be somewhat closer to Guinan's.

 

[fireproof78]

^^ what about....
Could Deanna's child have returned after the cargo was delivered, he didn't have to leave permanently?
Or maybe he didn't want to stay, who knows.

Wasn't he just trying to experience life and death?

 

[Mojochi]

I mean, we never really clear up the question of Ian's aging. It's possible he'd have been geriatric by the next morning & died anyway, & maybe that was his plan, but the crisis put the kibosh on it earlier.

 

[Laughing Dragon]

Wasn't he just trying to experience life and death?

Yeah, that's what I remember. The entity plants himself inside her without her consent but she still loved him like her child and did not want him to leave. Nowadays that would be problematic. I always wondered why everyone was crowding around her at birth outside of Data, I mean he makes sense being an android and it's his curious nature. Is this to emphasize the miracle of life?

 

[tharpdevenport]

So, if it's a self-cleaning ship, how does it clean itself? Never did see that. I'll discount small robots going around, otherwise we'd have seen then at times going around (like in Star Wars films and "Red Dwarf"; vaious robots doing various things, going around). Maybe some kind of phaser-like beam that shoots out and spread wide-width and gets stuff when it detects that nobody is in it's path?

 

[at Quark's]

So, if it's a self-cleaning ship, how does it clean itself? Never did see that. I'll discount small robots going around, otherwise we'd have seen then at times going around (like in Star Wars films and "Red Dwarf"; vaious robots doing various things, going around). Maybe some kind of phaser-like beam that shoots out and spread wide-width and gets stuff when it detects that nobody is in it's path?

Wouldn't it have been fun though, to get a scene where the intercom goes 'Commander Riker, report to the Bridge immediately', to see him walk through the corridors at a brisk pace, only to trip over one of those tiny cleaning robots he hadn't seen in his haste?

 

[JesterFace]

Wasn't he just trying to experience life and death?

If that was the plan the experience was cut short.
So called "normal" life would include being a teen after childhood, then an adult and so on.
Unfortunately some lives are cut short....

 

[fireproof78]

If that was the plan the experience was cut short.
So called "normal" life would include being a teen after childhood, then an adult and so on.
Unfortunately some lives are cut short....

I don't think it was meant as a normal life but learning what birth and and death meant as a concept. But I haven't watched that episode in a long time.

 

[Tomalak]

So, if it's a self-cleaning ship, how does it clean itself? Never did see that. I'll discount small robots going around, otherwise we'd have seen then at times going around (like in Star Wars films and "Red Dwarf"; vaious robots doing various things, going around). Maybe some kind of phaser-like beam that shoots out and spread wide-width and gets stuff when it detects that nobody is in it's path?

I’m sure this is in the TNG Technical Manual, and it is indeed a low power ‘cleaning’ beam that activates when rooms are empty.

Obviously there must be some other solution for rooms that always occupied or contain sensitive material, such as the bridge, sickbay and engineering. I guess the lower deckers have vacuums and mops.

As for robots, the new shows have the DOT robots, and in-universe there was probably something similar on the other ships, we just never happened to see them. Kinda like the toilets.

 

[Qonundrum]

So, if it's a self-cleaning ship, how does it clean itself? Never did see that. I'll discount small robots going around, otherwise we'd have seen then at times going around (like in Star Wars films and "Red Dwarf"; vaious robots doing various things, going around). Maybe some kind of phaser-like beam that shoots out and spread wide-width and gets stuff when it detects that nobody is in it's path?

I think it's like a self-cleaning over. See, you set that fritter to "Clean" and the internal temperature gets so hot*, everything turns to ash. That's why the holodeck has those yellow plaid patterns going around it. What is less visible is the vent system that blows all that ash down the hole.

* Studio audience: "HOW HOT IS IT!"