When they publish 3000 comics saying Batman doesn't kill, it's fine to ignore issue 1 saying that he sometimes does.
Would remaking TOS episodes make you upset?
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We're talking about firsts. That's the first iteration of Batman. That should be the true one in adaptations.
The whole comic run is the original true source of Batman stories. The earliest stories are like the earliest pencil strokes on a painting, and have been covered over by several layers by this point.
Not that I'm saying we should remake The Enemy Within and add a line explaining why they can't use shuttles. The episode is what it is and it's fine.
So Batman can kill
It's ok to have remakes. The original persists,no value lost. No harm, no foul.
It's ok to have mistakes. It's okay for a series to evolve naturally to become more coherent. Remakes bring confusion by adding another version of the same events. I've got so many versions of DC comics villains in my head right now that I have to struggle to remember which one goes with which show I'm watching, what their motivation and history is, but Star Trek is so much clearer in my mind.
I do not possess this issue.
Multiple continues exist at once. It's how it goes and how I've always managed within the fictional sphere.
The Batman example is the comic book version of Early Installment Weirdness.
Superman was tossing people out windows and running them into the path of their own bullets in those days, too. Nobody considers that to be the definitive version of the character.
Superman was tossing people out windows and running them into the path of their own bullets in those days, too. Nobody considers that to be the definitive version of the character.
I don't think we need a definitive version. I think if it exists in the characters story it's fair game in adaptation.
Oh, ok
I didn't read this comic calling the character Batman then.
This nitpicky shit is tiresome. Apparently there is a definitive version of shows and remakes are anathemas. I don't even know anymore.
I'm still ok with Adam West Batman, and Bale Batman and all in between. Or remaking Star Trek episodes.
It's as inoffensive as things come to me
Sounds like you've got it. I mean, it's not a new thing for people to dislike remakes, that's been a thing for a while, but I get the impression people are getting more annoyed by them. Especially as they have such a low success rate.
Adaptations are different, no one's calling The Dark Knight a remake of Batman '89. But I've pretty much hit my limit of how many times I can see Martha Wayne's pearls falling to the pavement in Crime Alley. They've somehow made like 9 live action Batman films over 33 years without getting around to introducing Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Stephanie Brown, Damian Wayne and so on. It's like being trapped in a time loop, constantly seeing Batman face Joker and meet Catwoman for the first time, over and over.
Firsts are trial runs and never count.
Like that laughing "Vulcanian" in The Cage.
I give up.
It's exhausting to keep track of all these unwritten rules around fictional universes. I thought it counted just fine, and found it entertaining. I guess that's the wrong way to approach it...
The 2007 version of 3:10 to Yuma is a better movie, IMO.
The 1959 version of Ben-Hur is itself a remake of the 1925 silent version (which is a remake of a 1910 version) - to the point that the '59 chariot race is nearly a shot-for-shot recreation.
That reminds me of that project to make a shot-for-shot remake of a lost Doctor Who episode from 1965 using the original camera script and techniques from the time. They did a great job of making the footage look 54 years older than it was, and the original episode didn't feature any regular actors or sets so the recreation doesn't feel like a fan film.
So add that to the list of remakes I liked.
So add that to the list of remakes I liked.
I want episodes that explicitly take place between TOS episodes and reference which one came before and after. Also production order.
Something like this
Captain's Log Stardate 2818.2: Having turned Lenore Karidian over to the Psychiatric Colony on Sigmund XII we are now on route the Aries System...
Then at the end of the episode
Uhura: Message from Starfleet, Captain. We are instructed to proceed to Starbase 8 and pick up medical supplies for Makus III.
Kirk: Lay in a course, Mister Sulu. Warp factor 5...
Too much?
Something like this
Captain's Log Stardate 2818.2: Having turned Lenore Karidian over to the Psychiatric Colony on Sigmund XII we are now on route the Aries System...
Then at the end of the episode
Uhura: Message from Starfleet, Captain. We are instructed to proceed to Starbase 8 and pick up medical supplies for Makus III.
Kirk: Lay in a course, Mister Sulu. Warp factor 5...
Too much?
The 1st of things can be usually a bit rough and things get changed. I can't speak for comics, but would we want Kira in that original hairdo in DS9 pilot?
Or Data being amused and acting like Lore with his first meeting with Riker, with multiple uses of contractions (a later episode, Datalore, gave us his contraction rule, which amusingly immediately accidentally broke it). Deanna calling Riker "Bill" and speaking telepathically with him, etc etc.
This is much more evident in comics, with a Superman that doesn't fly, a Hulk that turns grey (not green) not because of anger but because the sun sets, Wolverine without retractable claws (meant to be part of the gloves), Gambit that charges items with green beams from his eyes, and so on.
It's fun to see how things improve, grow and change from what creators originally presented to what becomes established. Especially when by even the 2nd appearance things have been "corrected" to what we know now as being true to the character.
Maybe.
My point is that these firsts are still true to the franchise and are not lesser because of being first.
The poo-pooing attitude of firsts is frustrating. Why not eliminate the Cage all together? No reason to reference Pike at all.
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