Seems the opposite of that. Not really trying is setting a Trek show on a ship.
Kurtzman intentionally killed Legacy?
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Ok fair enough. But I have seen plenty of 21 year olds that look about the same age or even older than Jack. I don't see why this is bothering people so much. Look at all the 20 something year olds on buffy the Vampire slayer playing 17 year olds ..
I just started watching Curb Your Enthusiasm. I can't believe I haven't watched that show before. It's quite clear how George Costanza was based on Larry David.
Another great show with no laugh track was The Larry Sanders Show.
The Good Place was a sitcom? I didn't know that.
The Good Place is a philosphy class that happens to be very funny.
The dates in Season 3 are a mess, it's pretty obvious that it's supposed to have been set several years after Season 2. They should have had "Frontier Day" be "Federation Day", set it 2011, and everything works a lot better.
Or, more simply, the dates are irrelevant reference points. This scene is the story's present, that scene is this story's past. The actual numbers don't really matter. Which is basically a Star Trek thing anyways. (When did Data graduate from the Academy? How long does it take to get from Earth to Bajor or Qo'noS? Etc etc etc)
I'm almost positive that this was the original intention. But for some inexplicable (and probably stupid) reason, it was changed. And Frontier Day being the launch of the NX-01 'and the day we consider to be the founding of Starfleet' makes little sense. Because whether you account for Earth Starfleet which was in existence before the launch, or the Federation Starfleet which was incorporated in 2161, saying that we're celebrating it on a completely different date is dumb.
Technically the Earth Starfleet existed as early as 2132, so Starfleet's "real" 250th Anniversary should have been in 2382, but it is what it is. Sloppy chronology or not, at least it gave the NX-01 a huge name drop and made it the center of Frontier Day.
I still think that if the whole thing was supposed to be about the launch of the NX-01, they'd have brought it to Earth and ceremoniously shown it being launched to commemorate its 250th anniversary, instead of that whole nonsense with the Enterprise-F.
Yeah, that's the thing. Just the fact that the NX-01 was sitting around in the Starfleet Museum in some other part of the galaxy while the celebration surrounding it was going on in Earth orbit sounds suspiciously like something got changed halfway through production.
Changing things so late that it makes other things weird seems to be a PIC3 vibe. They also re-retire the Ent-D one year later, but the characters are all dressed identically to the day they stole it.
How many fifteen-year olds have you seen that look as old as Jack?
Oh, if you've seen plenty then I guess it's not a fair complaint after all.
How many fifteen-year olds have you seen that look as old as Jack?
I like sitcoms a lot.
A few recent ones:
Beef (2023 - Netflix)
Incredibly funny show. All Asian cast. One season and done and well worth the time.
Russian Doll (2019 - Netflix)
A very sci-fi leaning sitcom about someone being stuck in a Groundhog Day style loop.
Shrinking (2023 - Apple TV)
Harrison Ford’s TV vehicle. With Jason Segal. Pretty good.
A few recent ones:
Beef (2023 - Netflix)
Incredibly funny show. All Asian cast. One season and done and well worth the time.
Russian Doll (2019 - Netflix)
A very sci-fi leaning sitcom about someone being stuck in a Groundhog Day style loop.
Shrinking (2023 - Apple TV)
Harrison Ford’s TV vehicle. With Jason Segal. Pretty good.
Given the ages of Peck and Wesley -- they currently portray characters significantly younger than they are -- I sometimes wonder if SNW wouldn't just "jump over" TOS entirely at some point to the TOS movie era.
I think what I'd do...
Pike hands over the Enterprise to Kirk, knowing that his time before Talos IV is short...
We have the accident that cripples Pike...
"The Menagerie" from Pike's POV...
And then Talos IV isn't the end of Pike's story like he believed. A movie-era "Search for Pike" -- there's been a medical breakthrough that can restore him, and Spock, Una, and Kirk return to Talos IV.
That terrible Lower Decks crossover ruled that out, with Boimler genuinely believing that Pike goes to his grave in a wheelchair. Unless Boimler's a REALLY good actor and all his other temporal violations in that episode were a distraction from him covering up the real secret he knows that Pike somehow recovers...
Plus, Boimler strongly hints that Pike's fate remains what we saw in TOS when the former visits the Enterprise in "Those Old Scientists(SNW)." Had Pike been restored to health at some point after 2267 I'm pretty sure that, being the Starfleet history nerd he was, he'd have known.
Wrong.
I don't really have an opinion on this whole idea, but who says Boimler has to know?
How often has Trek toyed with the timeline?
18 years between the last episode of TOS and the first episode of TNG.
12 years if you count Star Trek TAS.
As if "Relics," where Scotty believes that Kirk is alive, barred Generations, where Scotty was a witness to Kirk's apparent death. As Larry Niven put it: "The writer reserves the right to have a better idea."
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