The Earth - Romulan War (non-canon)
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"World War II,” on the other hand, first appeared in print all the way back in February 1919, when a Manchester Guardian article used the term much in the way people today predict a hypothetical “World War III.” But it was Franklin D. Roosevelt who in 1941 would publicly label the conflict the “Second World War,” and his fellow Americans quickly followed suit. (In Britain, it remained simply “the War” until the late 1940s.)
While Roosevelt may have helped popularize the name, it seems he wasn’t entirely satisfied with it. In 1942 he asked the public to propose alternate appellations, and over the next few weeks the War Department received 15,000 submissions ranging from “the War for Civilization” to “the War Against Enslavement.” Neither these nor Roosevelt’s own choice—“the Survival War”—had staying power. “World War II” and “Second World War” it was—and, as a result, “I” or “First” was appended to the clash that preceded it.
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While Roosevelt may have helped popularize the name, it seems he wasn’t entirely satisfied with it. In 1942 he asked the public to propose alternate appellations, and over the next few weeks the War Department received 15,000 submissions ranging from “the War for Civilization” to “the War Against Enslavement.” Neither these nor Roosevelt’s own choice—“the Survival War”—had staying power. “World War II” and “Second World War” it was—and, as a result, “I” or “First” was appended to the clash that preceded it.
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I believe it was mostly popularly the Great War.
The regional variances and euphemisms surrounding it are quite interesting. People would talk about being ‘In France’ or talk about things they did when they were ‘abroad’.
The Great War was the "original" name for World War I AFAIK.
There were those who were already predicting a second great conflict in the years following The Great War.
H.G. Wells, 'The Shape of Things to Come', immediately springs to mind.
H.G. Wells, 'The Shape of Things to Come', immediately springs to mind.
There's a scene in one of the Doctor Who Christmas specials where the 12th Doctor and 1st Doctor cross paths, and a World War I-era British officer is the 1st Doctor's companion.
The 12th Doctor makes the mistake of saying "World War I" in front of him, leading the British officer to ask "One?" And the way the actor plays it is with a mix of curiosity but also horror of the implication there will be multiple world wars.
The 12th Doctor makes the mistake of saying "World War I" in front of him, leading the British officer to ask "One?" And the way the actor plays it is with a mix of curiosity but also horror of the implication there will be multiple world wars.
so why did we start it then (nürnberg trials)? with your theory it's either on the japanese (pearl harbor) or you (declaration of war) and we were just happily mopping up our neighbours in europe - nothing to see hereAs an American, my take is that prior to the US joining the war, there was two regional wars (the European War and the Japanese/Chinese War), but when the USA and Britain territories were attacked by Japan in December 1941, both nations declared war on Japan which joined the regional wars into one big World War, so yeah, World War II technically should be from 1941-1945. Just because Britain declared war on Germany in 1939 doesn't mean it should be the start of World War II, rather it was the precursor to World War II. (Just in my opinion.)
/sarcasm
i kinda like the way some british scholars call world wars I+II:"World War II,” on the other hand, first appeared in print all the way back in February 1919, when a Manchester Guardian article used the term much in the way people today predict a hypothetical “World War III.” But it was Franklin D. Roosevelt who in 1941 would publicly label the conflict the “Second World War,” and his fellow Americans quickly followed suit. (In Britain, it remained simply “the War” until the late 1940s.)
While Roosevelt may have helped popularize the name, it seems he wasn’t entirely satisfied with it. In 1942 he asked the public to propose alternate appellations, and over the next few weeks the War Department received 15,000 submissions ranging from “the War for Civilization” to “the War Against Enslavement.” Neither these nor Roosevelt’s own choice—“the Survival War”—had staying power. “World War II” and “Second World War” it was—and, as a result, “I” or “First” was appended to the clash that preceded it.
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the 2nd 30years war
nobody numbered them before 1939
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To some extent all of this happens.
I have a perhaps controversial take on Trek's WW3. I really think that while it was globally destructive, the bulk of the nuclear destruction was in Asia. Elsewhere got hit, but the the true devastation was across Asia.
By 2063, there's "very few governments". Not no governments. I think some of the western governments are still working. I didn't take Cochrane's situation as living in a crazy post-apocalyptic nuclear wasteland... it was more just an economical depression. He seems to think he will make money off the Phoenix, so... there is somebody who could pay him. He talks of travelling, taking trains. I think the situation in Bozeman is less that Cochrane just like, idk, took over a missile silo... moreso that he bought the missile and silo from the government, who quite frankly just didn't care and needed any resources they could get.
Meanwhile in Asia, the "Post-Atomic Horror" is well underway. There probably are people who think "we need to finish off those Eastern Coalition bastards" and... they probably kind of do?
The Vulcans come down and provide quite a bit of help in getting Earth back up and running. Vulcans seem to have had some interest in Earth since at least Sputnik, so they poured quite a bit of resources into getting Earth into better shape. With some more recent lore... it seems that there is quite a bit of alien activity on Earth in the 21st century... and despite "the Vulcan Science Directorate has determined that time travel is impossible"... Vulcan may actually be at least nominally aware of Earth's future relevance.
People who know history well know that's not the case.
Those who are less interested would know the broad strokes, "Pearl Harbor started WW2".
You could always say from a certain point of view. WAS it actually "World War" 2 until the US got involved with Japan and Germany? Or were there several regional wars concurrently occurring that became a truly global conflict with the entrance of the US into two of them...
as president blutarsky (i think he is in the tos timeline
but certainly not in the kelvin universe 
; his administration is actually the point of divergence) said:was it over when the germans bombed pearl harbor?
I say the Vulcans did nothing wrong!
@Christopher (in his 'Rise of the Federation' novels) suggests that early Starfleet was comprised of vessels from all five founding members' fleets. I find that very likely.
Pretty sure Chum is referring to Earth Fleet solely, not the FedFleet.
If we take the ENT returning home scene, Earth has at least.... uh, at least 3-6 Intrepid's and 3 Ganges' were ready to defend Earth.
^ Oh. Right. Gotcha. Sorry for the mixup. 
Still, though. Perhaps the Xindi attack motivated Earth Starfleet to kick its shipbuilding efforts into high gear. They could have been building ships right and left for all we know.
Just because we only saw a few ships, doesn't mean that's all Earth had.
And since the Vulcans were no longer holding Earth back, I'm sure they helped out as well.
Still, though. Perhaps the Xindi attack motivated Earth Starfleet to kick its shipbuilding efforts into high gear. They could have been building ships right and left for all we know.
Just because we only saw a few ships, doesn't mean that's all Earth had.
And since the Vulcans were no longer holding Earth back, I'm sure they helped out as well.
^ Oh. Right. Gotcha. Sorry for the mixup.
Still, though. Perhaps the Xindi attack motivated Earth Starfleet to kick its shipbuilding efforts into high gear. They could have been building ships right and left for all we know.
And since the Vulcans were no longer holding Earth back, I'm sure they helped out as well.
Yeah I was referring to Earth Starfleet as of the mid-2150's.
By the time the Romulan War starts, they have two NX-Class ships. By 2156 they MIGHT have 3 or 4, although NX-01 only launched in 2154 and it didn't seem like the NX-03 or 4 were anywhere near completed.
Earth has a handful of low warp ships that could potentially defend Sol or the closer-by colonies, but they would be largely useless in an actual interstellar war. Earth fought the "Xindi War" with... one ship. They had NX-01. That's it.
Once we roll over to Federation Starfleet, yeah I would think everyone contributes. I still think Earth is the largest contributor, given that Federation Starfleet is essentially just... Earth Starfleet.
Where did you get 5 from? It's always been four founders.
Thinking of that, I always found the Federation's emblem to be odd... there's three stars, not four...
Of course i've come up with my own reason why... it was sort of an accident. That emblem was never actually meant to be the Federation's logo. It had its origins immediately post-war, when I have Earth going on a massive humanitarian mission to aid Vulcan, Andor and Tellar. That symbol we know as the Federation symbol was something drawn up sort of on the fly to symbolize the humanitarian effort... three stars being within the United Earth emblem, intended to symbolize Earth's mission to help their three allied worlds. Nobody really thought much of it at the time, it was just a graphic Earth started using.
Where the accident comes was that when the leaders were all meeting to sign the Federation charter, the humanitarian mission emblem had been emblazoned on everything. It just because an incredibly common symbol immediately after the war. It was quite literally stamped on the document of the Federation charter...
The other founders reactions ranged from... none (Vulcans) to mildly perturbed (Tellarites). Some couldn't help point that the emblem of the Federation itself made it look like this new Federation was some kind of human hegemony. Earth offered to redraw up the document, but the other races really didn't see it as all that big of a deal, more of an "of course the humans would do that." Nobody pushed the issue because that symbol did actually mean something to alot of people... all of those supplies coming in from Earth featured it, and it very quickly became a symbol of unity, despite having its origins as an Earth-centric symbol.
Technically isn't possible the Xindi sent a few ships out to harass UE forces to weaken the PALTRY MAMMILIAN EARTH DEFENSES around WEAK SKIN EURTH TERRA?!!!
AC's placement is canonical iffy.
In the shows, its not. In the books, it might be?
Ok I see.
I think Alpha Centauri is somewhat of an asterisk. It has been mentioned.
I would probably explain that away that Alpha Centauri entered the Federation along with Earth, but not as a "member". Alpha Centauri was still an Earth colony, so it WAS part of the Federation but legally considered as part of Earth. Alpha Centuari probably had a representative there.
AC may be different as opposed to Vega, which we know was a human colony... but seemed to be independent of Earth.
We probably only get some mentions of AC because it's a human world and we are... humans. There were certainly other colonies in there too on the initial wave.
